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I joined IPSC to compete and shoot matches, and to build/run/officiate matches to give back to the community.

I chose not to partake in the dramas and politics. Not in shooting, not in real life. Just a personal preference. Waste of time and bandwidth.

Srsly ... if you ignore all the drama queens and the gear-snobs (there is always at least one in your squad), it's a great sport!

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It's too much drama, people pretending to be in a angry state all the time, looking for a perceived slight to punish people and then brag about it... It's high school with money. I have seen clubs where its still fun but diligence for safety has now be come border line paranoid mental illness. Oh and IPSC safety is not the same as real world safety. People do put guns on pockets, they conceal guns in fanny packs, holsters have buttons, "near" is not "on" and its also not a reason to waste someone'a $500 on a Blackbadge weekend.
That being said, ya you can learn some amazing stuff from amazing teachers but if you go home and want to punch a poodle then something aint right. As for rising sun it's 90% drama Queens and gear snobs. The gossip is stupid too. My friend Chris left the RA Centre because of some BS and I can see why.
 
Was actually thinking of joining our local ipsc

After reading this I'll stick with open night steel challenges and cQB
x2. Every trip to an actual range leaves me with a bad taste, nothing's brings out an ego like shoot sports. The crap you hear is amazing. I've met some great people but some like to act like high school jocks who don't realize sports don't really matter in the real world, like at all.
 
The fact that a guy like cbabes got banned for a comment, well that tells me all I need to know...

Regards
Jay

cbabes got a temporary forum ban for breaking a forum rule, just like you, as a Super Moderator, would do to someone on CGN for breaking a forum rule here.
 
cbabes got a temporary forum ban for breaking a forum rule, just like you, as a Super Moderator, would do to someone on CGN for breaking a forum rule here.

Point is sometimes you make a stand. Trust me the forum will get a lot more freedom of speech. As bad as my post here and on Facebook was for negative attention the support I have received in PMs is incredible. The rules in the forum will be changed. ;-)
 
Details? I'm curious.

cbabes... Mind filling me in?

Cheers
Jay

Apparently I called them a nazi name for extreme police here and that was against the rules. Not every time a rule is broken though does one get a ban. It all started when I asked a question. A very polite question then got a usual grumpy response. My reply was not against any rules but the person removed it anyway. I wasn't even the one who complained. Another moderator said my post should be put back and it was. My ban was for posting here. I know drama! In the end all is good. We fill practically all the matches so all the people who don't join because of all the perceived drama would be on a waiting list anyway. Cheers! :)

P.S. the worst part was a board member asked me to change the post here before the ban and I did. I got banned the next morning anyway by others so I edited the post back but then someone here complained and a moderator here edited it and gave me an infraction. :)
 
Okay, this does require a response. Especially given that this was from a current IPSC Ontario board member.

Re: Euxx: you weren't banned from being a web guy cause the new board just wanted you out !!! Just because you do have NO people skills and many people hate you..... it had nothing to do with your removal of web guy for ipsc ontario...

No one going to admit it, but the board simply didn't want me to post anything. So, I been banned for stuff like saying that posted provincial stages are not athletic enough (in exactly those words). After that the board voted on prohibiting me posting on Ontario forum, as it was stated in the BoD meeting minutes (those been posted few months after), without calling me out or providing me an opportunity to appeal.

Actually, your tons of hours were greatly appreciated.

That certainly wasn't the message I received from the BoD. Not as much as "thank you" actually. On a contrary, and more on that in a bit...

But, You WERE a volunteer to do that and you're suppose to follow the direction of the board of directors on: please change this, or please add a drop down window for this, or please add link to do this or that...
As a volunteer, of which your tons of work was greatly appreciated, you DO NOT have the right to say NO, to requests from the board of directors, and repeatedly say NO... you're job as volunteer is to adhere to the such requests. You're input on if that revision is a good one or if is useful change or not, is appreciated and taken into consideration, but is
not, again to repeat, is not your right to say NO i will not make that revisions, etc...

As a matter of fact, I've been asked to help one of the previous BoDs to help bring section up to speed with the technology. No one was giving me any directions or demands, people just trusted my expertise and believed in my vision how technology should work for the sport and in the result I built a system that no other online service in other IPSC regions or sections could came close to... Well, until 2015 Ontario BoD came to the rule.

As a volunteer and an expert in my field of work I can and always will express my opinions on technical things and issues. If someone don't like that, it is up to them and they can either do the work themselves, or hire another secretary. But I'm not a secretary.

In fact, all the things that I been asked by the BoD and that I could have done on a spot, had been done and in a timely manner. If someone tell otherwise - it is a bold lie (quite literally bold). More over, the system I've been responsible for had been gradually updated to add things to be managed and edited by people in certain roles in the organization. BoD members, MDs, NROI, etc... But it was taking time to close existing gaps as I was planning from the beginning.

...so your continued insubordination as web guy caused your removal, cause ipsc ontario shouldn't have to fight, argue, debate these with you !!!

Again, you need to get the events straight... At the beginning of January 2015, the BoD agreed (quietly) to remove me upon request of the President. The BoD didn't want to tell me about that. Instead, after that decision been made, I received a letter from a BoD member which stated that he must be given access to everything and how great we will be working together from now on. Since I've had no intentions to work with that person (he been trash talking me on various forums), I informed Simar that I am stepping down immediately and provided Simar with a list of tasks that new admins will have to complete to transfer things over from me. My involvement was done from that point.

Now, you've mentioned how much my work was appreciated... I probably missed that letter, but I god a few other ones from several BoD members with number of demands and threatening to revoke my membership and that continued at least til September. Some great way to appreciate a volunteer.

Was there a hidden agenda against you ? I'm not familiar with one, except that most don't like your lack of people skills (to be polite), but otherwise, I believe everyone was fine with you as a web guy, as long as you didn't act as if you owned it, cause you volunteered... Just to put it into perspective for everyone.

Few years before 2015 I've tried to recruit help to work on the web stuff, but no one wanted to step up. So, I kept working on it on my own. I suppose that declares the ownership.

As for a hidden agenda. I can't think no other reasons why all of a sudden in the Fall of 2015 the MD and Stats Officer permissions been removed from a member in good standing and a current RO. That is interfered with my duties as SO at several sanctioned matches. No explanations been provided and my emails wasn't been answered. These permissions only been restored in some 2016, after number of people requested BoD on my behalf (thank you Josko!). Oh, and I still don't have access to the BoD announcements, which are supposed to be broadcasted to all IPSC Ontario members. Go figure, I am some sort of a special member now.

All in all, I am gone as IPSC Ontario BoD wanted it. The BoD members ego is satisfied and no one gives them any arguments or complains (the latter are now normally a quick way to get banned).

BUT, that decision came with consequences not only to IPSC Ontario section but to other sections. IPSC Quebec was using the Ontario system (as it was a good fit for their own classification) and other sections could have used it too (as far as I know Alberta is using Practiscore online site now, but that doesn't really provide the same level of membership and section integration as system I built could).

So, the whole thing is put organization to at least two years back on any technology projects (next time you see Phil, ask him about RO points management, I doub't he'll be hugging you).
 
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