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I'll delete this if incorrect, but:
Did you just publicly post a picture of someone, because they disagree with you, on the forum?
pic has been posted before
I'll delete this if incorrect, but:
Did you just publicly post a picture of someone, because they disagree with you, on the forum?
pic has been posted before
tactics is his second job, right behind flipping burgers at mcdonalds....
so you have attended two courses... good for you, your my hero. I wish I was half the man you pretend to be on the internet.
your the next Jim Cirillo.
Correct, and I told you I put calipers to actual pistols. My numbers are right, you are wrong.
That's interesting. You started the whole 'Glocks are superior to the 1911 design' - and yet one of the features of the pistol is the ability to build them up for different roles. Are you claiming that only stock guns (and grips? - come off it) should be compared? You are changing the very basis for your argement, quoting how adaptible the Glock is (in different calibers) but dismiss the modification of the 1911 platform? What about this statement?...
If thinner grips gave a shooter greater ability to conceal the firearm - why wouldn't they take it?
This statement is false. The entire size, including width contributes to the concealability of the firearm.
"The majority of handgun fights are close in and over within 3.5 seconds according to some statistics, which largely discredits the capacity arguement."
...this statement is repeating the assumption that the dimensions are a wash - which they clear aren't.
Whether I believe in it or not doesn't matter. There is clear evidence out there to support the theory that comparing similar shot placements, the .45acp is favourable to alot of calibers out there. Does it guarantee anything? No, nothing will.
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"The 45 acp round is overrated according to whom? You? There are several agencies that use it and would likely disagree wth your "
I would think they all would argue for better training, shot placement, and better officer survival training with reliable weapons platform over calibre, as the FBI ballistics test that launched the .40 into the limelight has be frequently challenged, and the best tests, or most referenced ones only refer to gel, in which most modern handgun rounds perform to nearly the same level IIRC. As the sig says:
"The stopping power "problem" is based on the misconception that there exists a hand-held firearm which can instantly terminate hostile behaviour (reliably and repeatedly)." "
I would agree that shot placement is key. However most would agree that in the FBI testing, the prefered 10mm round was deemed to be too much for alot of shooters to handle -hense the downloaded 40 S&W. Can this be overcome with training? Likely, yes, however practicality and costs are concerns. The one feature of the .45acp cartridge that keeps it around is it provides excellent performance while remaining manageble for a great many shooters.
.357 Sig, like the 10mm Auto round, is much more difficult to control accurate, fast shot placement compared to the .45acp. There are a great many shooters out there that would be poorly matched with that cartridge.
Definitive? No, but it is out there. Do some digging.
And I rest my case.
Am I the only one on here that gets tired of people like TDC giving everyone "Tactical Tips". I don't have the patience that Beltfed has to expose this wanna-be for what he is.
Back to the facts, before someone like TDC starts spouting off about "gun fights" the "real mean streets" (that he has never been on) he should do proper research such as, the US Dept. of Justice stats/data on gun fights, rather than what he thinks or has heard from someone.
Rich
With regards to grip swapping, my point was to illustrate the fact that an out of the box 1911 is not necessary setup to be the most concealable firearm.
Any changes out of the box means its not an ideal setup. I'm not saying only stock guns are to be compared.
I have to disagree with you on this one. There are so many good manufacturers of 1911s producing a very large array of the model, you can get almost anything from a factory.I am saying that some guns require aftermarket parts to fit a specific role.
Again, you are faulting the design of the 1911 on substandard parts installed in a questionable fashon. I tend to believe in installing quality and having it properly done. Anyone counting on one in a life situation would likely do the same.- this is no different a philosophy than dealing with parts or work on a Glock.Changing parts can increase the risk of failures and increases the cost involved.
One could make grips out of aluminum to suit 1" overall thickness easily. This may not seem like considerable width, but it matters. Add to that other customizations such as bobbing, and the beauty of the 1911 design starts to shine. (admittedly you can bob a Glock too)Thinner grips that offer a slimmer/smaller profile are great and I would suspect anyone would opt for them if the need for the slimmer profile was desired. The dimensional differences you've published are as you said, the frame only. I'm curious as to how thin the 1911 can get with aftermarket grips. With the frame measuring .775 inches I strongly doubt the OD dimension will be anything less than 1"
A minor gain in width still does not offset the 8 round magazine capacity, the increased weight, the positive safety and the increased recoil, nor does calibre.
Basing your gear selection on the MAJORITY of a statistic while neglecting the minority is bad planning. Furthermore, no one is afforded the luxury of setting up their situation. Playing the odds in hopes your situation is one of the majority is delusional.
True, but a Glock of similar vein is even less so.
Good, then you likely agree that there are multitudes of gunsmiths that will build a 1911 to order -'out of the box' can be anything the customer desires, in multitudes of calibers and configurations.
I have to disagree with you on this one. There are so many good manufacturers of 1911s producing a very large array of the model, you can get almost anything from a factory.
Again, you are faulting the design of the 1911 on substandard parts installed in a questionable fashon. I tend to believe in installing quality and having it properly done. Anyone counting on one in a life situation would likely do the same.- this is no different a philosophy than dealing with parts or work on a Glock.
One could make grips out of aluminum to suit 1" overall thickness easily. This may not seem like considerable width, but it matters. Add to that other customizations such as bobbing, and the beauty of the 1911 design starts to shine. (admittedly you can bob a Glock too)
A 'minor' gain in width could mean the difference in 'printing' or not - a massive tactical advantage in alot of situations.
This is the whole premise to CCW and use of pistols in general!!
Dealing with lower statistics differently does not necessarily mean they are totally neglected, and prioritizing items that are more likely to happen is a sound tactic. If accurate and applicable stats show the best 5 are going to count at 2m distance, then emphasizing preparation for this is logical.
If I was getting into the car in the morning knowing full well I was going to get t-boned by the C-Train, I'd take the train to work in the first place.
Likewise with guns - If I knew I was going to get into a gunfight, I'd armor up and carry a carbine.
That's a 1500 dollar herman miller chair. Clearly good taste!
Jealous? Looking for shopping or design tips?
A very special message from JRR's the shut the #### up foundation