2014 Eastern F-Class Championships - ENTRY FORM IS UP & A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

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Just wanted to let you know that the event website http://www.easternfclass.ca has been updated with some VERY preliminary dates/course of fire. We have had some interest expressed in offering more team shoots next year so we are contemplating having a morning dedicated to that before the final.

Barry and I also wanted to take a step in supporting/enticing new shooters by continuing to offer a "Top New Shooter" award in the regular divisions (which last year was generously donated by Price Enterprises) and also offering a division for some form of Factory class. We would likely need a minimum number of competitors to make this practical, but if there is enough interest we will definitely offer it - further details TBD.

If you've got any questions/concerns/suggestions please post here or send me a PM.

Cheers,

Scott
 
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What are the specifics of "... a division for some form of Factory class"?

Is this the old F(M) which I believe was something like "... factory stock (which may be improved) ..."?

Snapshot
 
Hey Scott,
Trust you're wintering well (prepping brass and bullets).
It will be great to see "all the usual suspects" there and am hoping to see a lot more new faces this year.
Not only Canadians ,but from some of the "net chats", a good number of our buddies from "South of the Border". Seems a few would like to check out Connaught
in prep for Americas Match and the Nats this year and the WFCC 2017 and get a handle on this "PEARS" (pair) shooting we do up here.
I know you've a lot of work to do to get all this together,so won't bug or tease you too bad.

The following is for shooters who have not shot competitively ,are fairly new to the game and who would like to giver a try.
There is approx 5 months between now and then. Lots of time to get familiar, practice and join in with confidence.
I would suggest that between now and then ,you attend some practices,develop a familiarity with your rifle/load and ballistics.
Get out and meet some of the shooters already experienced in the sport and ask questions and get all the help you may want.

The reason I mention this is that I believe your enjoyment would be enhanced by preparation and familiarization
when entering a Regional Level of Competition. Although NEW shooters are just as welcomed as experienced,I would think
it would be a tougher place to "cut your teeth" in long range competitions.
Check with the scheduling for practices in your local Provincial Rifle Associations (ie ORA,PQRA and even the NCRRA) for opportunities.

Just a thought....and hope to see you out on the ranges....as soon as this friggin winter ends and the green starts showing up.
Regards
Gord O
 
Looks like life and work may be conspiring against me this year but hope to make it out next year and each year after in preps for the Worlds.

One of the best matches you can attend and one of the Worlds best ranges. Plus you get to shoot with and learn from some of Canada's best shooters. Great guys and gals too.

Get out to the practise days and get a feel for how the F class process moves. It will make the regionals so much less stressful and the better prepped you are, the more you can focus on shooting/winds.

Not the time to discover a rear bag that is too low or some other setup problem...simple stuff like that which can really stress a newbie.

Hope to see you all out there in the coming seasons....

Jerry
 
What are the specifics of "... a division for some form of Factory class"?

Is this the old F(M) which I believe was something like "... factory stock (which may be improved) ..."?

Snapshot

We're still working on nailing this down, but we may borrow heavily from the definition that BCRA uses. My feeling on it is factory barrel, trigger and stock but stock and trigger can be modified. Will post a clarification as soon as possible.

Scott
 
We're still working on nailing this down, but we may borrow heavily from the definition that BCRA uses. My feeling on it is factory barrel, trigger and stock but stock and trigger can be modified. Will post a clarification as soon as possible.

Scott

Thanks. I am not familiar with the BCRA definition but I was hoping for something that would allow for swapping parts that don't require a trip to the gunsmith.

For example an R700 action and barrel with aftermarket trigger and stock – to me this seems like a reasonable "home improvement" over the typical factory rifle but under most of the (F) and (M) definitions I have seen it would be in (O) competing against high end custom rifles, tube guns etc., not to mention the (often) very skilled and experienced people shooting these guns.

Also it seems that an unmodified rifle in 260 and similar calibers would be in (O) since it doesn't qualify for (TR), is this still the case?

Snapshot
 
The BCRA definition for "Factory Sporter" reads as follows:

Any factory-made bolt action firearm, with original unmodified factory barrel and action
Any type of sight
Front rest, front bipod or bags permitted along with rear bag
Maximum weight of 12 pounds with all attachments
No muzzle brakes of compensators (ie Remington VTR)

I think there are some good bits there, but personally I think swapping out the stock and trigger takes away from the spirit of a factory class. Certainly there are folks who compete with rifles in the regular divisions that are less modified than that.

With respect to calibre, my intention (and I'm not the only one who gets a vote!) was to allow any calibre within the rules and range template to compete in the "factory" division, which would allow an unmodified .260 to participate, provided it met the other (TBD) criteria for a "factory" rifle.

Please note that these are simply my personal thoughts on the matter, and should not be construed as anything more than that. As organizers we will come to a decision on what will constitute a factory rifle and we will publish it here ASAP. If you've got any thoughts on the matter please feel free to share them here or by PM.

Cheers,

Scott
 
The ORA was the first rifle association to introduce F(M) class. I believe that recrowning the barrel is allowed under the initial rules but no improved chambers (ie, must be off the shelf chambering)
Original stocks (could be modified) tuned factory trigger, any sight or front rest.

The whole idea of F(M) class was to get the new shooters out shooting with whatever they already had in their gun safe.

As the F Class evolves so should the rules. Why not keep with the factory barrel and tuned factory trigger, but also allow a new stock to be installed.

I am not an F Class shooter but the way I see it is if you can 3-4 guys shooting the same type of equipment, then you have a new sub-class.
 
Hi Scott,

In a separate thread, we discussed attracting more members and it seems to me that a factory
class along with some hand holding of newbies during practice (such as myself) will do just that.

However, you have to keep the initial cost of shooting factory class in mind.
IMHO, keeping it simple and affordable will go a long way in attracting undecided shooters.

Having said that, some regulations are required, you may not want people showing up with
inadequate equipment. But what exactly is inadequate?
Is a factory rifle inadequate for a "factory class"?
Is a new stock required to shoot "factory"?
Most important, will a new shooter "FEEL" disavantaged by not having a $500 stock?
Will a new shooter "feel" obliged to spend the money for a new stock?

Why not keep it simple, if members with "factory" rifles want to shoot a factory class, accomodate them.
Simple seems to be the answer, if it's not factory (off the shelf), you cannot shoot in that class, period, end of requirments.
(yes, you can Bubba a factory rifle all you want, as long as NO "after market" parts are installed and there is NO mechanical modifications: chamber, crown, bolt, etc.).


Bruno
 
as far as I know, only 3 of the provincial F-Class associations have thus far adopted a "Factory" class and all have similar, but different rules. links below.

Scott... I believe the "full" rules for BC are below, and you've quoted the "short version"

FYI... It appears, an off-the-shelf Savage F-TR or Palma or even Browning Target would not be considered "Factory" in BC but would be in Ontario or Alberta... shame as these are popular with entry-level F-Class shooters...

not to be critical of any associations policies, but it appears to me the intent of the various existing rules varies slightly by either a) encouraging entry-level COMPETITORS through managing equipment spend (as in AB and ON) or encouraging high shooter turn-out with a bring your sporting (hunting) rifle policy... both are valid to build the sport, though.

If I could recommend a rule basis for the Eastern Championships I would suggest looking at the ORA rules... it well defines a "Factory" rifle without restricting the most popular of the off-the-shelf rifles used in this sport; also, geography what it is, likely a high percentage of participants at the Eastern Championships will be ORA members or be from Ontario and wish to have an ORA legal rifle to compete in ORA matches, and it will also allow all rifles that meet AB and BC rules with the exception of custom stocks (allowed in BC)... sorry Tom, I too believe that bolting on a $1500 custom stock does not a factory rifle make...

IMHO it would be preferable if "Factory" definition was consistent throughout the country... hey DCRA, interested in a "Factory" class?

http://www.albertarifle.com/Fullbore/FullboreContacts&Info.pdf
http://www.bcrifle.org/misc/FClass-sporter.doc
http://www.ontariorifleassociation.ca/node/75
 
This may seem somewhat tangent to the OP but comes back to address it..

Continued growth in participation is definitely a priority for the success of F Class anywhere.
It sure has come a LONG way from the originally intended design in the development of classes,rules,targets,events etc.I don't believe George could have imagined...
All these changes took time, and a great deal of efforts .
Sometimes we need to revisit what was once tried in the past to see if it would again produce sufficient participation (attendance) ,
regularly to warrant official sanctioning.
When it comes to rules ,their application and flexibility... venue must be considered .

Individual PRA's at practices,minor club matches and even Provincial Championships have a greater degree of flexibility in
adding classes,bending some rules ,but still at a certain point, a uniformity needs to be maintained across PRA,Regional and National levels of competition.
Clearly defined "rules" are helpful to anyone at any level of participation in competition. Increasing the level of competition,increases the need for
ever clearer,more encompassing definitions and rules.

I believe in the past there was the F (M) ...Factory Class in F Class for competitors. It had it's set of rules and if I recall, at least Provincially ,had a number
of shooters attend matches.There were some difficulties that arose and I'm not sure if they ever were resolved.
There needed to be a minimum number of participants in that class to be recognized otherwise the Factory shooters were then lumped into the FTR and FO classes.
Entrants needed to know this ahead of time so no misunderstanding would occur.
If there were sufficient factory shooters to establish a class,calibers were not segregated ,which meant a 223 was competing against a 6.5/284...
In most cases I recall, insufficient participants to establish a Factory Class was the main issue.
Like the development of F Class itself, initially a few,but then growing numbers would surely establish a position for Factory Class in F Class.

Scott,I know you have your hands full getting this Regional Match organized and run. Perhaps you may want to consider passing
on the issue of Factory Class and rules to the National F Committee for clarification/establishment/implementation. If doable,this class could again be
added and developed at Provincial level matches and if participation and interest is there, consider it for Regional and National levels of competition.

I truly think that once a Factory Class shooter participates at practices, local matches and even a Provincial Championship,
they may have progressed to a point of entertaining FTR or FO .

In summary,for this years Regional Championships, if the F Class Committee can establish the parameters (rules) and PRA's can develop
a sufficient group of Factory Class shooters from practices to Provincials,then I would suggest the Factory Class be added to the Regionals.

my morning coffee FWIW typing spree
Regards
Gord
 
T.Y Scott
Even at my age, I am doing rather ok at 300 yards with my iron sights swedes in 6.5

And would not mind at all trying at longer distances. Of course, not against the heavy artillery
of the F open. I think younger shooters would have interest in re discovering the pleasure and challenge
of open sight shooting.
Question: could I be accepted in a practice group on one or two wednesday nights,
as there is no other range in the region over 300 y
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claude
 
Claude,

If you are interested in coming out once or twice to Connaught I'd be happy to coordinate with you in the spring. Typically after one or two outings there is an expectation that you will join, or not. There isn't really a "drop-in" program at NCRRA, and my sense is that has more to do with insurance than anything.

Cheers,

Scott
 
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Merci Scott
I am not too familiar with how this site is working, my messages just do not get in.
I am making another quick try.
I would greatly appreciate to meet somebody in the spring and from there,
I could see if I can fit somewhere with my iron sights.
my e mail is: gir42ca@videotron.ca

merci encore
Claude
 
It seems to me after reading these posts that we are complicating things for nothing.
I agree that a specialty built FACTORY rifle should shoot in the regular F-O and F-TR classes, because who ever bought that rifle is already hooked, but all other factory rifles regardless of caliber, the so called hunting, come with what you got crowd should be in the same class as the old GREENSHOT class of my younger days. And let the classification system take it from there.
And personally I would not allow any mods. It would be UNMODIFIED PERIOD.
We say we want to keep it economical for the new shooters yet we would permit the more fortunate to again put an expensive Jewell trigger, or put an expensive stock with a super nice air brushed paint job. I know this is absurd, a paint job does not make a rifle shoot better, but it is just an example of how we can deviate from an objective, which is to get more shooters interested in our sport.
I better put on my flamme retardant suit.
 
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