22 ARC, the 22-250 killer

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pathfinder76 said:
Joel, I have nothing to do with corporate Remington. If you want something to whine about start looking for your favourite twists and cartridges on left handed actions. If you want a fast twist 223 then make it happen. That $1000 will be meaningless when you finally burn that barrel out.
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Or, things could be better from the factory but why should anyone want that?

Better rifles? Naaaah.

We should be limited by out of date technologies and like it, and find ways to make it sound like a plus lol. Apparently. Or make it sound virtuous to dump a G note to fix the manufacturer's obsolences. Sounds great. Sign me up lol.

I don't know why people get the feels over this.

Huh, in the good news column, looks like the Howa minis are 8 twists now, even if the Vanguards are still a 9. That's nice to know.
 
pathfinder76 said:
What would you like us to do about it Joel?
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Who's the "us"? Been elected as some kind of spokesman lately?

Could keep having some kind of issue about it if you want to and try to justify crappy gear that limits you if you like when better is out there, that's been pretty funny lol.

Complaining about people shooting paper or wanting to shoot 1000 yards plus because they want to have options is a hoot too. Weird lol.

No one needs to do anything except keep voting with their wallets, makers are going to continue picking up faster twists and getting with the times.
 
Thank you :) Won't be long. The more rifles that can handle heavier than varmint bullets and the best medium + game bullet in 223 rem the better. Its a noble pursuit.

ETA: Huh the new RemArms 700s are 8 twists now too. Great. Hopefully Savage pulls their heads out soon.
 
For those few souls that shoot to 1000 yards with .223 bore go for it.

Personally, I'm a hunter. I'm an okay shot, considerably better than average. Don't live anywhere near a 1000yd range, in terrain where a long shot happens. These new calibers and concepts push practicality, talent, and ethics. Energy and precision with a 22 cal projectile, for Prairre dogs/predators/deer? I try to limit myself to good terminal performance of bullets and ranges I can make a ethical shot.

You could spend your $1000 dollars on the rebarrel. Maybe keep your 223 AR, 1:11 22-250; buy what you want. Sell your existing rifle towards.what you want? Owe right, you can't. Even modifications to your upper and bolt/magazines is iffy/grey zone.

In isolation, someone not owning a 22-250, a 22 arc would be cool. Same could be said for 375 ruger vs 375 H&H, 6.5 creedmore vs 6.5x55, 7prc vs 7rm, 300 prc vs 300 wm. Lots of other reinvented mousetrap cal8bers. It's a step ahead, marketing and advertising. Not enough benefit to go out and buy the new caliber vs the old. If you already own the old caliber. Some of these new ideas will be discontinued/obsolete/unavailable in 10 years. How about companies increase availability of brass, primers, ammo, even new wonder bullets. Some of those old calibers will still be available in Walmart and Kanadian tire.
Buying some of these new calibers requires a few things. Components hoarding, reloading, a crystal ball. Sounds about right.
 
todbartell said:
Just a comparison between the most aerodynamic factory loaded varmint offering that works through the standardized twist rates for each cartridge



When pushing a 50gr soft point, I'd agree
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Tikka makes an 8 twist 22-250, and Savage uses a 1:12 as standard, with a 1:9 on their 110 varmint.

The comparison feels deliberately aimed to make the 22-250 look worse than it is. Sure, grandpa's 22-250 from 4 decades back won't compete with a brand new fast twist cartridge at 800yds, but that is basically picking the worst 22-250 you can for the comparison.

Neat cartridge. Feels like another great option for a youth deer gun.

Although 224 Valk was supposed to fill the same niche (more velocity, fast twist for a 22cal from an AR)?
 
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A 12T 223 Rem with 40gr bullets is pure magic. Until you’ve seen what I does to animals inside 400 yards, i don’t expect it to be appreciated
 
Buckmastr said:
A 12T 223 Rem with 40gr bullets is pure magic. Until you’ve seen what I does to animals inside 400 yards, i don’t expect it to be appreciated
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I bet it does! They're capable alright...but heavy bullets and faster twists can do some things too, especially on bigger animals. Does the 40 do things that a fast 53 cannnot?

There's a place for the 12 twist alright, just don't feel like it was the default on company flagships like a 700.
 
Re; Chuck and Joel....The story of the old bull and the young bull comes to mind. ;)

And ‘we’ or ‘us’ can also be just a guy with a mouse in his pocket. I often qualify lol.
 
That will be on schedule for my next mule buck tag. If anyone was waiting for a 22 cal cartridge to hunt deer, and saw the ARC, they’re still waiting.

Complain about Alberta all you want Blinky. Rather don’t, just move to Quebec.
 
Watching the hornady podcast. Three varieties of ammo, a 62gr vld varmit load, and 75, 88gr match.

So what bullet would be a good choice for deer? 223 bore, and make it large for bore/high bc. It all seems varmit or match.

My old 22-250 actually stabilized the 60gr nosler partition. That's a ancient design, and like the 160gr .277 partition it's semi round nose to stabilize in slow twists. There must some modern, high bc, effective .223 hunting bullets. Without them, it's like hitting a 1950's golf ball with a new $600 driver.
 
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Watching the hornady podcast. Three varieties of ammo, a 62gr vld varmit load, and 75, 88gr match.

So what bullet would be a good choice for deer? 223 bore, and make it large for bore/high bc. It all seems varmit or match.

My old 22-250 actually stabilized the 60gr nosler partition. That's a ancient design, and like the 160gr .277 partition it's semi round nose to stabilize in slow twists. There must some modern, high bc, effective .223 hunting bullets. Without them, it's like hitting a 1950's golf ball with a new $600 driver.
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Barnes 77gr LRX would be my starting point. BC of .404 definitely ain't best in class, but its not bad at all for a Barnes bullet. Their 78gr TSX and Nosler's 70gr Accubond are both in the .380s I think.

Hornady has a new 80gr ELD-X but no published data.

Sierra's 77gr Tipped Matchking is a proven performer, surprising how well it does for a "match" bullet, but then it was designed to do more than just shoot nice groups. It doesn't need that kind of speed to really make a mess of things though.
 
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