Thanks. So should be able to run similar velocities with a straight 223 in the 70gr range. Which is plenty for what I plan on doing
.223 for everything, the gunnutz version
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I know a member here just got his 223 1:7 up and running. He is getting 2970fps with 75 gr Amax’s in a vanilla 223.
I tipped over a fair jag of deer and black bears with 75 Amax’s from a 1:9. It’s a very decisive bullet.
I don't want to get accused of starting a firestorm and ducking out so here I am again,
I think the people that have done the small bore/ frangible bullet thing realize that it just plain works, and works better than the gun magazines would have you know.
If the manufacturers can get you to buy a "hunting" bullet for hunting, a "target" bullet for target shooting and a cheapo bullet for plinking then they have just gotten you to purchase 3x the product.
One benefit I have noticed for myself is that I don't think anything of putting a couple hundred rounds downrange. My shoulder isn't bothered either and my shooting has drastically improved.
This will equal much better shooting on animals as well.
A "small" bullet placed right will kill quicker than a "big" bullet placed wrong.
As for the small bullet slower dying thing, a pop can diameter 18" deep of destroyed flesh should be killing an animal quicker than a broomstick 30" deep.
I would highly suggest people Google ".223 for bear elk deer moose" and read the first 10 pages of the rock slide thread. Do so with an open mind.
And then actually open your mind and read it again.
I think the people that have done the small bore/ frangible bullet thing realize that it just plain works, and works better than the gun magazines would have you know.
If the manufacturers can get you to buy a "hunting" bullet for hunting, a "target" bullet for target shooting and a cheapo bullet for plinking then they have just gotten you to purchase 3x the product.
One benefit I have noticed for myself is that I don't think anything of putting a couple hundred rounds downrange. My shoulder isn't bothered either and my shooting has drastically improved.
This will equal much better shooting on animals as well.
A "small" bullet placed right will kill quicker than a "big" bullet placed wrong.
As for the small bullet slower dying thing, a pop can diameter 18" deep of destroyed flesh should be killing an animal quicker than a broomstick 30" deep.
I would highly suggest people Google ".223 for bear elk deer moose" and read the first 10 pages of the rock slide thread. Do so with an open mind.
And then actually open your mind and read it again.
Okay, I believe you all that a 223 can kill big game.
I can fry bacon butt arse naked while wearing swimming flippers. I can sing boy george songs on karaoke night. I can move to toronto...... but WHY? that is a serious question by the way. WHY would you want to take the smallest cartridge out hunting big game when there are so many better choices? educate me.
I can fry bacon butt arse naked while wearing swimming flippers. I can sing boy george songs on karaoke night. I can move to toronto...... but WHY? that is a serious question by the way. WHY would you want to take the smallest cartridge out hunting big game when there are so many better choices? educate me.
Less recoil etc as mentioned above. More practice results in better shooting. And judging from what I see at the range sometimes, a well placed 223 bullet is better vs the 5moa groups some people print at 100yards getting ready to go out hunting.
A 223 loaded at 3100-3200fps with a 60 nosler partition will have no problem on whitetail deer. I would not personally use it over 200 yards, nor pick it over and other cartridge I have.
My little Grendel barely has more recoil than that, and is a great whitetail killer. I have seen deer cleanly taken with a 223 though. Legal here in Saskatchewan now.
If that's what people have to use, go ahead and use it. Just be aware that it is very ill advised to use varmint rounds. As I see most guys at Cabela's buying the cheapest box of 223 ammo off the shelf for deer hunting...
My little Grendel barely has more recoil than that, and is a great whitetail killer. I have seen deer cleanly taken with a 223 though. Legal here in Saskatchewan now.
If that's what people have to use, go ahead and use it. Just be aware that it is very ill advised to use varmint rounds. As I see most guys at Cabela's buying the cheapest box of 223 ammo off the shelf for deer hunting...
Serious question. What makes them a better choice?
I mean, use whatever makes you happy, and nobody is saying you have to change up what you use currently.
For me however, I use it because I take any shot that is presented, from any angle presented that I would have taken with any other bullet and chambering I’ve used. I watch the bullet impact in the scope. I’m faster on a follow up if needed. I get enough penetration to break shoulders and punch great big holes in vitals.
And most importantly, I knock stuff down within feet of where it was standing when it was shot, and none of them have needed a finisher when I walk up.
Bullets matter more than head stamps.
Because I'm a recoil wimp, and man enough to admit it
Seems like there is always the two extremes, the hunter looking to use the smallest caliber/round legal and the one that is never big enough round 
, 223 for me on big game for up here doesn’t make any sense(even if it was legal) and on the other end, 458 win mag would be the same( even if I own one for bison)! It is probably why 270, 308, 30-06 and 300 win mag are probably the most popular choices for most big game hunting in Canada( up here anyway)!
But again if you have good luck with the 223 and it is legal where you hunt by all means use it!! Lighter rifle, lighter recoil, cheaper ammo, all makes for a rifle that you most likely gonna shoot more and be more accurate with it than something you don’t shoot as much cause it is heavier to carry, has more recoil, cost more to shoot!
, 223 for me on big game for up here doesn’t make any sense(even if it was legal) and on the other end, 458 win mag would be the same( even if I own one for bison)! It is probably why 270, 308, 30-06 and 300 win mag are probably the most popular choices for most big game hunting in Canada( up here anyway)! But again if you have good luck with the 223 and it is legal where you hunt by all means use it!! Lighter rifle, lighter recoil, cheaper ammo, all makes for a rifle that you most likely gonna shoot more and be more accurate with it than something you don’t shoot as much cause it is heavier to carry, has more recoil, cost more to shoot!
‘Bout tree-fiddy
“Energy” is a pretty meaningless measure when it comes to killing stuff.
Bullets matter. Impact velocity matters.
“Energy” doesn’t matter until you get to the point using something that flips moose into the air like a ground squirrel shot with a 22-250.
Bullets matter. Impact velocity matters.
“Energy” doesn’t matter until you get to the point using something that flips moose into the air like a ground squirrel shot with a 22-250.
That made me laugh.
An F tree-fiddy is the right number of energies for a lot of lifes problems
This is just my 2 cents and by no means am I claiming to know it all...... I'd rather have to much then not enough. If I'm picking one caliber/ one rifle to hunt everything then I will pick the cartridge best suited for the biggest, toughest kill rather then the other way around. I'd rather have to much gun then not enough any day.
You don't bring a BB gun to a buffalo hunt.
You don't bring a BB gun to a buffalo hunt.
Impact velocity and bullet terminal performance both translate into impact energy.
For many moon 1000 ft lbs at impact has been considered good medicine for deer sized game...Yes the job can be done with much less but the standard dose is prescribed to be 1000 ft lbs.
Prescribed by Dr. Magnuss Von Magnumson, the little blue pill with the M on it, not to be confused with a V
