234 Wildcat Family....ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY
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Its going to be a dedicated wolf rifle....
No savage no weatherby.... I just dont like savages and weatherby stocks never feel right to me.... personal tastes I guess....
Must be wood stocked.... I like older 700's and for this would prefer push feed to crf for this rig....
Full stock would be nice.... my favorite spot has european flare from decor to cuisine to hunt rituals..... so the full stock woukd be a nice touch. ... hence the bsa interest.....
Enough of this nonsense, I have arrived home to find a box from PT&G with my 4 N&Ts in it, I also stopped in Dawson Ck for a couple days and came back with a 22-243 and a 22-250 reamer. With my own 22-284 reamer and my neck and throaters, I have everything necessary to make 3 X 234 slingers......the Douglas, the Hyrax and the Lynx.........I also picked up a 700 in 308 for a donor for this project, heavy barrel and a MPI thumbhole stock..........Soooooooooo the only thing holding me back now is the 17 page "honey-do" list and sheer procrastination. The "honey-do" list I can procrastinate a bit on, now if I work on not procrastinating the 234 project, I could be slinging .234 bullets this week...............but which one first, decisions, decisions, decisions.............Actually, that's easy, I'll start with the Lynx, that way if something goes awry I can always bump up to the Hyrax and if I f**k that up I can bump up to the Douglas...........
We're down to the wire gentlemen..........onwards and upwards...........11 months ahead of original projected schedule......
We're down to the wire gentlemen..........onwards and upwards...........11 months ahead of original projected schedule......
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Johnn Peterson
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Douglas, could I get you to post a list of the proposed 23 calibre/cartridges with their names and the parent cases?
You bet Johnn.........
23 Pipsqueak...........222 Rem Mag (204 Ruger)
234 Lynx................22-250/250 Sav
230 Hyrax..............243/308 Win
234 Penguin...........6.5X55
230 Douglas...........284 Win
There are many other possibilities, Guntech is going to build one on a 6 BR case, there is also the original Ackley on the 6mm Rem case, there would be another good one on the 22-250 AI case, 23-06, 23X30-30, 23X30-30 AI, like I said Johnn, the possibilities are endless......
Johnn Peterson
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Thanks guy. Much appreciated. The other day I was
contemplating starting to thin out or trim down some of what I have. Curses upon you though. The concept of the 23-06 appeals to me so NOW I'm thinking of adding one more resident to my gun safe.I have a model 3000 Husqvarna in .270 Win I purchased from Ted I 'could' use for the conversion but Ted might not forgive me.
Would it be possible to get a bit of a list (or partial list) of suitable donor actions for the 234 project?
I.E. I confess to liking Browning X bolt rifles so would an X bolt in 22.250 be a suitable donor for a 234 Lynx?
Also I have a number of barreled actions in Mauser 96 6.5 x55 so would these be suitable donors for a 234 Penguin?
I realize the project is quite a ways from "that" stage yet but with some advance time a guy could both save up some skins to buy a donor rifle as well as keep his eyes peeled for the ideal candidate(s).
I also had a bit of a wildcat idea...considering Douglas's affection...errr...affliction...for the normally beloved and commonly revered .270 perhaps we could add a new series to the .234 project.
A .234 - .270 and call it the .234 Warm Brown Turd........???
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Regards,
Dave.
I.E. I confess to liking Browning X bolt rifles so would an X bolt in 22.250 be a suitable donor for a 234 Lynx?
Also I have a number of barreled actions in Mauser 96 6.5 x55 so would these be suitable donors for a 234 Penguin?
I realize the project is quite a ways from "that" stage yet but with some advance time a guy could both save up some skins to buy a donor rifle as well as keep his eyes peeled for the ideal candidate(s).
I also had a bit of a wildcat idea...considering Douglas's affection...errr...affliction...for the normally beloved and commonly revered .270 perhaps we could add a new series to the .234 project.
A .234 - .270 and call it the .234 Warm Brown Turd........???
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Regards,
Dave.
d4d1..........any action that is used for a short .473 case head will work for almost all the 23s, the Pipsqueak needs the .375/222 case head but the rest will work on the .473 case head. I personally wouldn't use a 96 to make a Penguin, but it would certainly work. One must always keep in mind the working pressure of the 96 though and this would severely handicap the Penguin. If you pressure up the 96 action they tend to set the lugs, rendering the action worthless. The Penguin may benefit from a long or true medium action, but any rifle made for a 6.5X55 or 6mm Rem, or any of the X57 cases should be perfect. The same may apply to the Douglas, and anything based on the 2.5" +/- case will require a 30-06 length action. Not planning anything on the STW or RUM case so a true magnum length action should never be required.
My advice would be to stick to the modern well known actions, Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Howa, Marlin, etc..........Never played with an X-bolt but if it has a threaded barrel and is in one of the parent cases I can see no reason why it wouldn't be fine.
If one had an irresistible desire to play with a 2.5" or so case, my suggestion would be to avoid that .277 abortion and use a 280 Rem case instead, or work with the 25-06 case, easier to make brass.
My advice would be to stick to the modern well known actions, Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Howa, Marlin, etc..........Never played with an X-bolt but if it has a threaded barrel and is in one of the parent cases I can see no reason why it wouldn't be fine.
If one had an irresistible desire to play with a 2.5" or so case, my suggestion would be to avoid that .277 abortion and use a 280 Rem case instead, or work with the 25-06 case, easier to make brass.
Johnn Peterson
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- Chemainus B.C.
Ouch!
Oh, Douglas, with your indepth knowledge and considerable experience with firearms, including use in the field,
what is the reasoning behind your 'feelings of affection' for the .270 Win. cartridge??Question and answer period is now closed! Douglas must be cuddled up to this lathe making chips
Ouch!
Oh, Douglas, with your indepth knowledge and considerable experience with firearms, including use in the field,
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tylerjwitty
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I think a 23 moose would be interesting . Based on the. 06 case.
Sure would fuel an argument about wither its suitable for Moosies or not .
Sure would fuel an argument about wither its suitable for Moosies or not .
Thanks Douglas. I kind of suspected the Mauser 96 might not be the ideal candidate for a 234 but felt I had to ask someone with decidedly more knowledge than myself.
I own an old Ruger M77 that has been a damn good rifle but the lack of a removable mag iritates the heck out of me.
Perhaps one of the other guys with knowledge of the Browning X bolt may chime in with some expertise on my question?
As far as the .270...sorry was just yankin' your chain...lol
The Warm Brown Turd comment was for Douglas's benefit....lol. I happen to own an " Jack O'Connor Favourite" and enjoy it greatly but I am not blind to other calibers.
"Farrr...and 'tis yet another great day to be alive."
Dave.
I own an old Ruger M77 that has been a damn good rifle but the lack of a removable mag iritates the heck out of me.
Perhaps one of the other guys with knowledge of the Browning X bolt may chime in with some expertise on my question?
As far as the .270...sorry was just yankin' your chain...lol
The Warm Brown Turd comment was for Douglas's benefit....lol. I happen to own an " Jack O'Connor Favourite" and enjoy it greatly but I am not blind to other calibers.
"Farrr...and 'tis yet another great day to be alive."
Dave.
Johnn Peterson
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As a cailbre designation based on the '06 case,
I'd go for that!! While the suitability for Mr. Moose may be questionable, I do like the name and case choice.
Johnn Peterson
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- Chemainus B.C.
My first pick would be the 23 Moose or 234 Moose but a close second and from what is already available, would be the 230 Hyrax.
234 Moose but a close second and from what is already available, would be the 230 Hyrax.Johnn.......My dislike for the 270 Win has no basis in reality except that it is uniquely American and in all reality should have been 284. Except for the American hatred of the metric system and designations it most likely would have been. There is no reason for a 277 bullet when 264 and 284 were already out there and popular in Europe. I also seriously dislike JO'C and his writings, I have spoken with two old Yukoners who guided him and have heard the stories of drunkenness and wife beating from those who witnessed it first hand. There are a few other things I dislike about it, as it is neither fish nor fowl, in my opinion, and it's just a caliber I have decided to hate for no ballistic reason in particular. It does absolutely nothing better than any other cartridge and is in my opinion totally redundant. The 6.5-284 or 6.5-06 is a better cartridge as is the 264 WM as is the 280 Rem, 7X64 and 7 RM...........there is no reason for it's existence other than the American hatred of metrics............So Johnn, it is my reasoning that if something is spawned from hatred, hate it back............
Marshal.......Chips a flying tomorrow..........Have you fired your 23 BR, if so give us some results, I'm not so vain as to be besmirched cause you beat me to it. If you have some results post them up, please !!!! The more people on the 23 bandwagon the better in my opinion. This is all just an information game and if you have information please share, I just love playing with guns and wildcats and I had no intention of playing with the 6BR case so if you have let's hear about it.
Marshal.......Chips a flying tomorrow..........Have you fired your 23 BR, if so give us some results, I'm not so vain as to be besmirched cause you beat me to it. If you have some results post them up, please !!!! The more people on the 23 bandwagon the better in my opinion. This is all just an information game and if you have information please share, I just love playing with guns and wildcats and I had no intention of playing with the 6BR case so if you have let's hear about it.
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