234 Wildcat Family....ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY

Johnn.......I only have a button for 1-8 twist right now, it's a 5 groove original Ackley design, right from Ackley's drawings for the 23 cal. Buttons are not real pricey so other twists may be possible later. Right now I have 90 gn RBTs and 100 gn FB to work with and Marshal is correct about misting bullets with the big cases and sharp twists, my work with the 22-284 was misting 80 gn SMKs at 3700 about 30 mtrs out with a 1-8 twist. I'm thinking though that something in 105 -110 grn bonded bullet with .010 greater base dia running about 35-3600 should hold together, and I'm not sure 35-3600 is even possible with the 284/06 capacity cases, with these bullet weights. However if these ballistics are realistic then all I can say is the 243/6mm Rem just became obsolete..........


To all others out there please do not respond to Gatehouse, he's just trolling trying to get a pi$$ing contest going and get this thread locked down as well. So please let's not indulge him as there is still a long ways to go in this thread and with the 23 cal family in general.
 
c-fbmi said:
To all others out there please do not respond to Gatehouse, he's just trolling trying to get a pi$$ing contest going and get this thread locked down as well. So please let's not indulge him as there is still a long ways to go in this thread and with the 23 cal family in general.
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Nonsense. I made one flippant remark regarding the irony of calling the .270 redundant. The rest was up to you and your "team" :)
 
c-fbmi said:
Johnn.......I only have a button for 1-8 twist right now, it's a 5 groove original Ackley design, right from Ackley's drawings for the 23 cal. Buttons are not real pricey so other twists may be possible later. Right now I have 90 gn RBTs and 100 gn FB to work with and Marshal is correct about misting bullets with the big cases and sharp twists, my work with the 22-284 was misting 80 gn SMKs at 3700 about 30 mtrs out with a 1-8 twist. I'm thinking though that something in 105 -110 grn bonded bullet with .010 greater base dia running about 35-3600 should hold together, and I'm not sure 35-3600 is even possible with the 284/06 capacity cases, with these bullet weights. However if these ballistics are realistic then all I can say is the 243/6mm Rem just became obsolete..........


To all others out there please do not respond to Gatehouse, he's just trolling trying to get a pi$$ing contest going and get this thread locked down as well. So please let's not indulge him as there is still a long ways to go in this thread and with the 23 cal family in general.
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Thanks Doug. At present,;) my leaning would be to something based on the .243/.308 case, so, next question. From your experience, for a cartridge along the line of a '.230 HYDRAX', what would be your choice or preference for an action be??
 
Johnn Peterson said:
Thanks Doug. At present,;) my leaning would be to something based on the .243/.308 case, so, next question. From your experience, for a cartridge along the line of a '.230 HYDRAX', what would be your choice or preference for an action be??
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BLR would seem like a sweet spot.
Convert an old 99 for the Savage fans.
Speaking 'bout fans, need to tern some awn.
 
I'm still wishing for a rimmed cartridge to use in a #1 action, my suggestion was a 303 Brit case and I think Hoytcanon suggested a 30-30 based wildcat.
How about it fellas ? Any ideas ? Maybe a slightly shortened 45-70 case ??
 
Kevan said:
I'm still wishing for a rimmed cartridge to use in a #1 action, my suggestion was a 303 Brit case and I think Hoytcanon suggested a 30-30 based wildcat.
How about it fellas ? Any ideas ? Maybe a slightly shortened 45-70 case ??
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just off the top of my head , could not a 284-23 reamer be used for the 45-70/.23 ?

the base diameters should be close enough , so it would be just a matter figuring out how to shape and form the 45-70 case .
 
burnt_servo said:
just off the top of my head , could not a 284-23 reamer be used for the 45-70/.23 ?

the base diameters should be close enough , so it would be just a matter figuring out how to shape and form the 45-70 case .
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There are plenty of necked down .444 cartridges to look at. Maybe a place to start. I'm sure someone has done similar with the 45/70 though
 
Gatehouse said:
There are plenty of necked down .444 cartridges to look at. Maybe a place to start. I'm sure someone has done similar with the 45/70 though
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what I was getting at was , c-bfmi will already have a 284-23 reamer and that should also work to make a chamber for a 45-70 necked down to .23

f I understand what he is doing , he should also have reamers for sizing dies , which can also do double duty .

that same reamer could also possibly be used to make a chamber for a .23 round based on h&h magnum case .
then either the belt would need to be trimmed off the case , or a groove cut into the chamber for the belt .
 
Johnn Peterson said:
Got a few lever guns but I was thinking more along the lines of a bolt action. Going a step further, seeing as I've never owned a Remington, perhaps it's time to rectify that:).
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You could very well distrupt the piece and qwiet in yer household.
A Remlingtun would just cawzse an unnormal balance on yer floor boards.
Sort of like a splinter under the fingernail, like we have round here.
JMHFO
 
Johnn.......I personally love working with Remington actions and after the things I have done to them, I feel very safe building wildcats on them and not worrying about a bolt being imbedded in my forehead. However I also have no problems using a Ruger or Winchester or Howa, they are all good modern actions. Never played with a CZ but they should be just fine as well. Just pick up a donor with the correct boltface for the parent cartridge which would be any short or long action with a .473 boltface.........Basically anything from the 22-250, right up to the 9.3X62 (366 Wagner). I personally would not build one on a military 96 or 98 as the metallurgy is way to varied and unknown.

Kevan.......the Brit case would give you virtually identical ballistics to the Penguin, can be done but would have to buy the reamer. Unless a guy could find a 22-303 reamer, I know they exist as a wildcat, just not sure how popular they are/were and whether there may be a reamer around anywhere. Why rimmed Kevan, the #1 has been chambered for virtually every rimless cartridge out there and the extractors seem to work just fine......it's just a personal preference I'm guessing........

b_s.........with a little ingenuity the possibilities are virtually endless. My mentor has taught me many cool tricks like how to get a reamer to cut up to .020 oversize if necessary, without coning the chamber, I'm talking a perfect chamber, perfectly centered, but up to 20 thou bigger.

Hoyt....219 Zipper reamer and voila, 23X30-30, or 234 Zipper...........that work for ya?

'Looky.......you're srirring the pot again........Johnn's floor boards will be just fine with a Remington in the safe :nest::stirthepot2:
 
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c-fbmi said:
b_s.........with a little ingenuity the possibilities are virtually endless. My mentor has taught me many cool tricks like how to get a reamer to cut up to .020 oversize if necessary, without coning the chamber, I'm talking a perfect chamber, perfectly centered, but up to 20 thou bigger.
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while doing some research on grinding reamers , I ran across a page that mentioned something similar .
the gist of it was , if a guy had a reamer than was honed on the tops of the flites and was undersized and sharp burr could be created on the side of the flite to cut a oversized to the reamer hole .

is what your talking about anything similar?
 
Douglas:
Again, a Remington comes to mind as, for no specific reason, I've never owned one. Just thought it might be time to correct that. My favorite bolt action rifle has always been and still is the Schultz & Larsen.

Looky:
23x62, named the Lil Wagner.:) Love that concept.
 
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