243 Improved, the 6mm Creedmoor

Shooting prone with Magpul bipod and using empty rangefinder bag as a rear support. Wind was 5mph +/- from right to left. Groups at 316 yards was 1.3moa, 412 yards 1.5moa, and pulled off a lucky one at 745 yards. This is with factory Hornady Precision Hunter 103gr ELDx ammo (3075 fps)

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I'm going to install a 20moa rail as it will be close whether I can get to 1050y with the Talley rings, only 29.5moa available in the Vx5 from my 100y zero
 
Load specs for the 112gr Barnes Match Burner

2.803" OAL (.092" off lands)
Alpha brass
Federal 210M primer

38.6grs Hodgdon Hybrid 100V ~ 2805 fps
44.1grs RL26 ~ 2965 fps
 
Thats a really great looking rig.

Have you tried carrying it with the flush swivel cups on the side yet? They look very robust, but I wonder if its any less comfortable to carry.

You could probably skeleton the bolt and tap the muzzle for a 6061 protector and save a couple ounces. If you had it in a lighter stock you could just run a sissy whistle for the range and then have it lighter for hunting.

I really like the look of the noise redirector fake supressor from grizzly gunworks, it's on my wishlist for a similar but different project one day.
 
With the Barnes 112gr Match Burner (lead core, boat tail hollow point) I'm at 43.6grs RL26 for 2965 fps from the 24" barrel. Alpha brass, Federal 210m primer. 2.803" OAL, .092" off lands

Little off on the wind call but grouping good

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Shot four groups with the 112gr Match Burner at 1038 yards

6" 3 shot

8" 3 shot

9" 3 shot

13.75" 5 shot

Average 0.85moa accuracy
 
Incredible groups there.

Now that you've had some time behind the leupold, how do you like it for the various longer ranges? I would have thought the 18X magnification would be a bit too little for over 1000 yards.
 
It's a 3-15x Vx5. A guy can get by with less magnification if the target size is suitable for the distance. I shot a 8.5" group with my 280 Ackley on 9x and another guy shot a 6.25" group with a fixed 6x scope, at 1038 yards
 
todbartell said:
Just received my 243 Improved from Terry at Black Art Rifle

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Stiller Predator action, Proof Research Sendero Light 24" 1:7.7 twist, McMillan Game Warden adjustable stock, TriggerTech trigger, Pacific Tool floorplate. Weighs 8lbs 14oz topped with a Leupold Vx5 3-15x44 CDS in Talley lows.

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Took it out last night just before dark to get scope on paper, fired a couple groups at 100y with factory ammo, 0.75moa with 108gr ELD and 0.71moa with 103gr ELDx Precision Hunter.

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I have a bunch of bullets to try, 90gr Sierra TGK, 95gr Barnes LRX, 105gr Berger Hybrid, 105gr Nosler RDF, 105gr Lapua Scenar L, and 112gr Barnes Match Burners. I'll keep this thread updated with my results as I go
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I also have a rifle by Terry. Mine is on a Nesika action in 6 Rem AII. Very similar to the Win 243 AI. Great shooting rifle. Sorry no pics at this time.
 
I really like the 6cm, I've been shooting it lately with the 103gr ELDx Precision Hunter factory ammo, 3100 fps. Also been shooting a 25-06 with some vanilla 100gr Speer SP @ 3400 fps, fast load. The 25-06 doesn't compare downrange, shooting 10" steel plate at 600 yards, you can be pretty sloppy with the wind call with the 6mm and make hits. Not so much with the 25-06. 6mm recoils and jumps a lot less too, although the rifle is about 2lbs heavier which helps
 
todbartell said:
I really like the 6cm, I've been shooting it lately with the 103gr ELDx Precision Hunter factory ammo, 3100 fps. Also been shooting a 25-06 with some vanilla 100gr Speer SP @ 3400 fps, fast load. The 25-06 doesn't compare downrange, shooting 10" steel plate at 600 yards, you can be pretty sloppy with the wind call with the 6mm and make hits. Not so much with the 25-06. 6mm recoils and jumps a lot less too, although the rifle is about 2lbs heavier which helps
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At one point I wanted a 25-06 but that phase passed a long time ago. The 25-06 never really lit the world on fire though. Cartridges like the 6 creed and 6.5 creed, paired up with new bullets that feature incredible ballistic design will have huge popularity- especially the 6.5 creed now that the US military has reportedly picked it up.
 
SuperCub said:
What does the 6CM have over a 243, bbl configurations aside?
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really good factory loaded ammo

Federal Gold Medal 105gr Berger Hybrids

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Gatehouse said:
At one point I wanted a 25-06 but that phase passed a long time ago. The 25-06 never really lit the world on fire though. Cartridges like the 6 creed and 6.5 creed, paired up with new bullets that feature incredible ballistic design will have huge popularity- especially the 6.5 creed now that the US military has reportedly picked it up.
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New chamberings come & go. 20yrs ago, it was the short mags, but the 30-06s, 270s, 308s are still selling to guys that just hunt BG at avg distances. The CMs might stick around, but they won't replace these in the long run.
 
SuperCub said:
New chamberings come & go. 20yrs ago, it was the short mags, but the 30-06s, 270s, 308s are still selling to guys that just hunt BG at avg distances. The CMs might stick around, but they won't replace these in the long run.
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Didn't actually mention any of those cartridges, or anything about big game hunters replacing them. Most big game hunters really don't shoot that much, anyways.

Although it seems the US military actually IS replacing the 308 with the 65 creed, which will only further it's popularity.
 
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