243 vs 6.5 creedmore.

Hitzy said:
The reason being, Scandi Europe has a real hardcore target shooting association, and 6.5x55 was the standard cartridge until the early 80's when they switched over to 308, they could only shoot factory ammo in competition then, probably the same now, I dunno, not up to date on my Scandi target shooting these days.
Eventually the 6.5x47 Lapua came about, and is still the 6.5 target cartridge to beat.
The CM stuff was born and raised to sell guns and ammo to north Americans, North Americans are not marksman like the Scandinavians, different worlds all together.
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Be that as it may, it doesn't invalidate that there's an awful lot of very accurate 6.5 CM rifles and ammo out there, and the rifles are throated and twisted to play well with that ammo.

There's a lot of accurate rifles and ammo available in a lot of chamberings, I know.

But lets not say there aren't people who like as much accuracy as the Scandinavians do running 6.5 CM and that its a pretty easy cartridge/rifle combo to get shooting well. Joe Sixpack might not be looking to punch those groups but that doesn't mean people aren't expecting - and getting - more.

Lapua components are for damn sure exellent though!
 
Joel said:
Was it always so possible to walk into a store, and buy a relatively cheap rifle, with a fast twist barrel, throated for heavy bullets of match quality that you were pretty sure would not only be in the stores, but in many kinds? Or was it more of a "custom" proposition?

Seems to be quite an "easy button" for handloading ammo of the same quality as well, too.
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Yup. Many accurate 6.5 Swede rifles, good euro ammo, reasonably accessible, you could order them by mail if your local gun shop didn't carry them or you weren't close to one. Just not as much advertising propaganda. - dan
 
dan belisle said:
Yup. Many accurate 6.5 Swede rifles, good euro ammo, reasonably accessible, you could order them by mail if your local gun shop didn't carry them or you weren't close to one. Just not as much advertising propaganda. - dan
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Great if you like Mausers and....what else, besides maybe some pricy Euro rigs?

Ah, but the advertising propaganda made people care.

And contrary to oft-repeated hyperbole, not a lot of untruth to it.

Modern options. Gotta love it.
 
Joel said:
Great if you like Mausers and....what else, besides maybe some pricy Euro rigs?

Ah, but the advertising propaganda made people care.

And contrary to oft-repeated hyperbole, not a lot of untruth to it.

Modern options. Gotta love it.
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Every North American gun maker made 6.5x55 rifles at one point or another.
So they were not as unobtainable as you think.
 
Hitzy said:
Every North American gun maker made 6.5x55 rifles at one point or another.
So they were not as unobtainable as you think.
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Never said unobtainable. But we can probably agree that even among the one whole year of Remington 700 production, the Winchester 70s made in the 80s, the Ruger 77 Mk II etc that the American made 6.5x55 is/was comparatively quite rare compared to the 6.5 CM today.
 
With 6.5CM's reputation you'd expect, and will find, that many factory ammo offerings are ELD match bullets for pinging a target way way out there and no thought for performance on game. But a look at a retailer's shelves shows a decent number of hunting-bullet choices in 6.5CM cartridges too, so definitely read more of the box than just the caliber and price tag. The joy of a popular caliber is flexibility, that there are those alternatives.

(In contrast, grab any box of 350 Legend and you're holding hunting bullets!)
 
The 6.5mm ELD bullets have a great reputation on game. Especially in the 6.5 Grendel but in the Creedmoor loadings as well. Lots of real world info that says launch em at animals with confidence, at least at more moderate speeds.

I know what you mean though, it aint all suitable for hunting. But I've seen some ELD pictures (Blakeyboy has some good ones) where the results with a 123gr ELD is indistinguishable from a "proper" hunting bullet in 308 Win lets say, except for maybe opening faster. Even big deer ain't stopping them and he's laid out moose just fine.

I'm a mono guy, mind lol
 
Joel I have a Grendel. Great round great rifle (CZ527). same hole accuracy.
Not sure if it's the gun or the ammo. But holy crap....
Just haven't had time to use it hunting yet.
I still use my 350L and my 30-30. I got this thing on sale a number of years ago.
Just a great rifle. My nephew is using this round out in Alberta.
He's dropping Mulies at distance with no problem.
The old classic round manufacturing are simply going to be discontinued over time.
The manufacturers make way more money in these rounds using less metal but charge similar prices.
As equipment to make these rounds expires I doubt they will renew the production lines.
The new miniaction bullet lines are all new and running.
It's simple economics.
 
Joel said:
Great if you like Mausers and....what else, besides maybe some pricy Euro rigs?

Ah, but the advertising propaganda made people care.

And contrary to oft-repeated hyperbole, not a lot of untruth to it.

Modern options. Gotta love it.
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Yeah, it did. Without it, this would just be another new cartridge dying on the vine. Have seen many go that route, many more are in the process. Look at the majority of the short and super short mags, as an example. - dan
 
Ok it's official. Teh 6.5 Swede guys like 6.5 Swede
The 243 guys like 243
6.5 Creed guy like 6.5 Creed.
We solved nothing
 
Mogulrider said:
Ok it's official. Teh 6.5 Swede guys like 6.5 Swede
The 243 guys like 243
6.5 Creed guy like 6.5 Creed.
We solved nothing
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I like them all.
Just have many more years and rifles in 6.5x55.
Have 1 6.5CM, it's a good shooter, doesn't do anything better then the Swede with 140's.
1 6mmCM I'm still trying to get shooting good with heavier bullets. Shoots fine with lighter weights but that's 243 territory which I already have covered.
1 6.5PRC that shows promise, and it delivers the 140's about 300fps faster then the Swede/CM with not much recoil.
 
Ah man, I hope you get that 6CM shooting where you want it to be with heavies...talk about besides the point, otherwise.
 
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