243 win 105 berger vld, dead elk 688 yards

[archie_james_c]

I don't care what Elk consider shooting range....sigh... I said if the animal does not have a chance of knowing you are within shooting range it isn't hunting....

He already said in the write up on 24 hour that the elk were skittish as all hell and that he tried to set up twice before that on them and they kept busting him. Even in the video they seen him and busted him. I suppose thats not evidence of the elk "knowing he's out to get them".

If we all rag on this type of hunting, we should rag on archery hunters, hunters who drive game, hunters who shoot running game, etc. We're all hunters, with many different styles of hunting. If some people can poke long range, or coach/train people to do so, why rag on them?

 

[6MM]

I have read a few pages about this stunt so I am not sure if this has been mentioned.

Did you notice that the elk are looking directly at the shooter and the filming group. Why would they be looking at people hunkered down about 700 yards away?

I do not believe that only one shot had been fired. I would think more than one. The group of elk were looking that direction after having enough shots (misses) to help pinpoint the shooter.

I know some have written about what can be done with great equipment and modern ammuntion - but I do not think that had as much to do with the kill than a number of "sighter" shots rattled off.

Again, a stunt, not a hunt.

 

[Superbrad]

He already said in the write up on 24 hour that the elk were skittish as all hell and that he tried to set up twice before that on them and they kept busting him. Even in the video they seen him and busted him. I suppose thats not evidence of the elk "knowing he's out to get them".

If we all rag on this type of hunting, we should rag on archery hunters, hunters who drive game, hunters who shoot running game, etc. We're all hunters, with many different styles of hunting. If some people can poke long range, or coach/train people to do so, why rag on them?

Because he himself says it is not a high percentage shot and out of his own comfort level...... and yet he endorsed taking the shot anyways.....

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

Seriously????

That sure won't work for still hunting where you try to get within yards of the animals without detection, or that isn't hunting either?

"Woooooo Hoooooo , Mr Deer!!! It's me , the hunter, I am over here, I am 50 yards away......................would you mind coming a little closer please?"

It's all a bunch of BS advertising..... LOOK HOW EASY IT IS TO MAKE 688 YARD SHOTS WITH THIS PRODUCT..... it's irresponsible.... and it isn't hunting... if the animal isn't given a sporting chance of even knowing you were within shooting range how is that fair game?......

 

[Superbrad]

Seriously????

That sure won't work for still hunting where you try to get within yards of the animals without detection, or that isn't hunting either?

"Woooooo Hoooooo , Mr Deer!!! It's me , the hunter, I am over here, I am 50 yards away......................would you mind coming a little closer please?"

I didn't say the elk has to know you are there first FFS.... I said the elk should have a CHANCE at knowing you are there....

If you are shooting the damn things from 7 football fields away they don't have that chance...

 

[Huntin' Gun]

If you've got 3 people there, and the elk have busted you, you have a good chance of getting closer if you leave one person standing in that spot. The other two get out of sight by moving into a coulee behind, ie: in the opposite direction of where the elk are. The elk will keep staring at the person standing there. If you all dissappear, then they'll get nervous. You need one guy to keep their attention.

Then the two go for a very long walk swinging around downwind. Keeping to the low spots and the coulees. This is how people do it in the open country.

Does it work every time? no. But niether will a 243 at 700 yards with a match bullet. And if the stalk fails, then there's no wounded animal.

And if the stalk works well, then the animals will have no idea the shooter is within shooting range.

 

[gunrunner8]

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I do not believe that only one shot had been fired. I would think more than one. The group of elk were looking that direction after having enough shots (misses) to help pinpoint the shooter.

I know some have written about what can be done with great equipment and modern ammuntion - but I do not think that had as much to do with the kill than a number of "sighter" shots rattled off.

Again, a stunt, not a hunt.

X2 ! That's a very logical observation.

 

[dewberry]

I didn't say the elk has to know you are there first FFS.... I said the elk should have a CHANCE at knowing you are there....

If you are shooting the damn things from 7 football fields away they don't have that chance...

I'm guessing you've never hunted elk on the prairies.

 

[dewberry]

I have read a few pages about this stunt so I am not sure if this has been mentioned.

Did you notice that the elk are looking directly at the shooter and the filming group. Why would they be looking at people hunkered down about 700 yards away?

I do not believe that only one shot had been fired. I would think more than one. The group of elk were looking that direction after having enough shots (misses) to help pinpoint the shooter.

I know some have written about what can be done with great equipment and modern ammuntion - but I do not think that had as much to do with the kill than a number of "sighter" shots rattled off.

Again, a stunt, not a hunt.

So why did they run after the last shot and not after all your proposed ranging shots? The equipment they were using doesn't rely on ranging shots for first shot shooting solutions. there isn't any guess work on that shot.

 

[noneck180]

Man these long range video hunts sure bring out the winners..not a hunt because its far..****.
Superman..did you change your handle or get banned?

 

[gunrunner8]

So why did they run after the last shot and not after all your proposed ranging shots? The equipment they were using doesn't rely on ranging shots for first shot shooting solutions. there isn't any guess work on that shot.

Well, if the bunch of elk hears the distant echo of the shot then they get nervous at first and stay put trying to search for safe escape direction but when one colapses right in between them then obviously they got to get the hell out of the Dodge and fast!

 

[Jamie]

ok lads.....Enough of the its not right talk....If you have the skills,tools and know hows have at it,if not stay in your Lane/comfort zone,I have tracked many of white tails shot in close with buckshot or slugs under 20 meters that run and run and run for a long time and still be alive when I found them,same goes with big guns up close moose hit too far back run 500meters to die in the water, bad shots happen in hunting when skills are low,I am also willing to bet that every hunter on this forum knows of someone or even themselves have seen or taken/made a bad shot and anyone that says everything they shot was DEAD in tracks is a liar,I killed a wild pig state side that had an arrow in it from the season before.....That really got me pissed


and to say its not hunting to shoot that far.....Come out with me and shoot some steal at 600+meters and tell me its easy,I also Bow hunt but maybe because we bait our bears thats not hunting too

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

Nobody is forcing you to hunt this way.

It is just a video of someone showing some skills as a shooter/marksman/woman.Hunting antelope has traditionally required long range shots and that seems to be accepted more than this elk hunt.So what is the difference?

I think if the animal doesn't have a chance of knowing you are there it gives you time and opportunity to select/calculate/plan your shot better.That is what we try to achieve to ensure a shot will be successful.

If that wasn't the case we wouldn't use blinds or stands or cover to conceal ourselves when hunting.

So if I have a spot picked out in a field for whitetail, monitored their movements figured out their patterns and come to the conclusion that a 600 or so yard shot that has be practiced is the best way to get my deer does that say I am not a hunter?If I use a blind in the bush is that the same also?

Not tryin to piss folks off but there is more than 1 way to harvest an animal.

I didn't say the elk has to know you are there first FFS.... I said the elk should have a CHANCE at knowing you are there....

If you are shooting the damn things from 7 football fields away they don't have that chance...

 

[Superbrad]

Nobody is forcing you to hunt this way.

It is just a video of someone showing some skills as a shooter/marksman/woman.Hunting antelope has traditionally required long range shots and that seems to be accepted more than this elk hunt.So what is the difference?

I think if the animal doesn't have a chance of knowing you are there it gives you time and opportunity to select/calculate/plan your shot better.That is what we try to achieve to ensure a shot will be successful.

If that wasn't the case we wouldn't use blinds or stands or cover to conceal ourselves when hunting.

So if I have a spot picked out in a field for whitetail, monitored their movements figured out their patterns and come to the conclusion that a 600 or so yard shot that has be practiced is the best way to get my deer does that say I am not a hunter?If I use a blind in the bush is that the same also?

Not tryin to piss folks off but there is more than 1 way to harvest an animal.

Regardless of what I as a person define as "hunting" if you kill an animal and you eat the meat and follow the same regs we are all stuck with good on you and fill your boots... and if you put in as much work as you say you did then good for you.... who am i to second guess your judgement...

But when you, like the guy in the video, who is an expert and makes a living practicing this stuff fully admit it is a low percentage shot you aren't comfortable with with a caliber that is questionable but you encourage someone to take it anyway opening up the target animal for a brutal and possibly excruciating death that isn't right.....

and it is still killing and not hunting in my opinion... that doesn't make it wrong...

 

[the spank]

Wow! Amazing shot! Just shows if you practice with your gun and know it well you can kill with it. That shot was far beyond my capabilities. I don't think I can see that far even through a scope any more.......

 

[Northman999]

It's all a bunch of BS advertising..... LOOK HOW EASY IT IS TO MAKE 688 YARD SHOTS WITH THIS PRODUCT..... it's irresponsible.... and it isn't hunting... if the animal isn't given a sporting chance of even knowing you were within shooting range how is that fair game?......

Got to totally dissagree with the whole sporting chance thing here.

Total BS.

Honestly I'm suprised any hunter even mentions that garbage - it's usually the gun grabbers complaining about this or that, who somehow think hunting has anything to do with a "sporting chance" or "fair game".

You want a sporting chance, strip down and take a bath in a barrel of honey and head out naked to hunt grizzlies with a baseball bat.

There's no "sporting chance" or "fair game" in hunting. If it were, there would be as many hunters being killed by game as game by hunters. While many of us enjoy the thrill of the hunt, it's never fair and it isn't a game. Everything favors the human in the equation, and even if the human "loses", he doesn't end up someone's dinner. Anyone prowling the woods hunting deer, with even a bow and arrow, thinking he's engaging in some sort of fair contest is seriously fooling himself, and needs to wake up.

 

[Superbrad]

Got to totally dissagree with the whole sporting chance thing here.

Total BS.

Honestly I'm suprised any hunter even mentions that garbage - it's usually the gun grabbers complaining about this or that, who somehow think hunting has anything to do with a "sporting chance" or "fair game".

You want a sporting chance, strip down and take a bath in a barrel of honey and head out naked to hunt grizzlies with a baseball bat.

There's no "sporting chance" or "fair game" in hunting. If it were, there would be as many hunters being killed by game as game by hunters. While many of us enjoy the thrill of the hunt, it's never fair and it isn't a game. Everything favors the human in the equation, and even if the human "loses", he doesn't end up someone's dinner. Anyone prowling the woods hunting deer, with even a bow and arrow, thinking he's engaging in some sort of fair contest is seriously fooling himself, and needs to wake up.

yeah... you are right... we should all just blast the first eligible thing at 700 yards like the video..... geeze.. and to think I have been tracking, patterning and monitoring trophy animals for the last 20 years of hunting... wow... what a waste of time.... I should get a low caliber centerfire and just start shooting from wherever I want... who cares if they get wounded.. I can post my one success story on youtube and be a cgn hero.... whatever....

 

[archie_james_c]

Got to totally dissagree with the whole sporting chance thing here.

Total BS.

Honestly I'm suprised any hunter even mentions that garbage - it's usually the gun grabbers complaining about this or that, who somehow think hunting has anything to do with a "sporting chance" or "fair game".

You want a sporting chance, strip down and take a bath in a barrel of honey and head out naked to hunt grizzlies with a baseball bat.

There's no "sporting chance" or "fair game" in hunting. If it were, there would be as many hunters being killed by game as game by hunters. While many of us enjoy the thrill of the hunt, it's never fair and it isn't a game. Everything favors the human in the equation, and even if the human "loses", he doesn't end up someone's dinner. Anyone prowling the woods hunting deer, with even a bow and arrow, thinking he's engaging in some sort of fair contest is seriously fooling himself, and needs to wake up.

Amen! Hunt the way you wanna hunt.

 

[Northman999]

yeah... you are right... we should all just blast the first eligible thing at 700 yards like the video..... geeze.. and to think I have been tracking, patterning and monitoring trophy animals for the last 20 years of hunting... wow... what a waste of time.... I should get a low caliber centerfire and just start shooting from wherever I want... who cares if they get wounded.. I can post my one success story on youtube and be a cgn hero.... whatever....

Slow down.

I'm not condoning the video, or long range shooting. I posted earlier on my issues with long shots.

But the whole "fair game" thing is about as silly a statement as I've seen in a while. When you are out hunting there's no fair game involved. What could possibly be fair about a someone with human level intelligence, armed with weapons and other technology, stalking a deer for example? Seriously, I'm an avid hunter myself (And I hunt with bow and black powder and centerfire), but at least I can admit that there is nothing fair about it. I'm the predator, and all the advantages are on my side, and I'm going to kill some animal who doesn't even know I'm there. And then I'm going to eat him. There, I said it. Anybody who can't admit the same is in denial.

Maybe take a break from this thread and andjoy a few deep breaths...

 

[archie_james_c]

yeah... you are right... we should all just blast the first eligible thing at 700 yards like the video..... geeze.. and to think I have been tracking, patterning and monitoring trophy animals for the last 20 years of hunting... wow... what a waste of time.... I should get a low caliber centerfire and just start shooting from wherever I want... who cares if they get wounded.. I can post my one success story on youtube and be a cgn hero.... whatever....

No Brad see, the difference between me, you, everyone in this thread, and John Barns...


Is John Barns knows what the **** he's talking about, spends time doing instead of talking, and kills **** dead.