243 win 105 berger vld, dead elk 688 yards

rral22 said:
So open a thread about those. This is about long distance shooting. Respond to it.



Actually, you did. Go back and check. I responded to your statement "Takes critters a lot longer to die from a bow shot then a gun shot." as some sort of ethical argument.

And your google efforts have proved the femoral artery is considered a legitimate lethal target for bow hunters, but there is controversy about the ethics of it because it is hard to hit it. THAT is exactly what I said.

Please read this twice before you respond.
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The point you're missing is that there are many ways to put meat in the freezer and people can debate at length what constitutes ethical practices and what doesn't. You obviously do not agree with killing elk at 700 yards and I'm sure there are people out there that don't agree with jumping out of a truck and killing a moose on the road. One is alot easier to do than the other and one requires much more skill than the other. Let people decide on their own.

I'm going to go back and check if it was me or you that said a bullet in the femoral artery won't work but an arrow will....ok I checked. It was you after all! Imagine that.

My google efforts also proved that a 338/416 Rigby in a 45 pound bench gun with a military class laser range finder is a legitimate lethal combination on elk at 2000 yards and further but there is controversy about the ethics of it because it is hard to do...

Google will tell you many things. Do we care what google says? Hunt however you want in accordance with your skill set and equipment. I am 100% sure that there are many more deer wounded each year shooting offhand at moving targets, 30/30's, muzzle loader rainbow trajectories, arrows, "brush buster" calibers (they don't deflect right?), super magnums, flinching from shooting said cannon, schitty scopes, lack of practice (hunting ammo is expensive right? 3 shots before heading out should do it) etc. than all the longrange hunting put together.

Cheers
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
It was a video, how do you know her abilities? Apparently her abilities were there since she did make the shot,someone said earlier that it comes down to the shooter in the last moment not the spotter anyways.

What laws/rules dictate what range the caliber is capable of? Maybe a 30/30 is deadly in my hands out to 200 yards and in yours a .338 LM couldn't hit a bulls ass from across the street?

You have made your point of view clear over and over on this thread, I understand your ethical stand point, but yours will differ from others as well as abilities.

This is like someone imposing religion on someone, believe in my god because yours is wrong.

They hunted in a fashion that you didn't agree with, so be it and move on.

Also, when it comes to facts ,opinions and rumors................

A old man once told me believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.;)
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I know her abilities because john let them out of the bag... Read... She barely practiced, wasn't her rifle, and had no real life experience on that shot... I keep having to repeat myself because people like you don't read the whole thread and make comments... I'd you had read you would hav e known the shooters abilities...
 
She still made the shot.

Would you like me to take her birthday away for punishment for going against your ethics?

There are shooters out there that can't hold steady on a deer for a 50 yard shot due to excitement and buck fever.I think she did pretty well considering her abilities.

Do you also believe everything you read/see on the internet?Maybe they hammed it up to portray her as a novice/new shooter to "sell a product" as others suggest.She could be a competition F-class shooter for all we know.Many , many possibilities here.

Don't worry , I have been following the thread and rather enjoy people repeating themselves, I can feel the blood pressure rise.:D




Superbrad said:
I know her abilities because john let them out of the bag... Read... She barely practiced, wasn't her rifle, and had no real life experience on that shot... I keep having to repeat myself because people like you don't read the whole thread and make comments... I'd you had read you would hav e known the shooters abilities...
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Blood pressure not rising... Its my birthday and I am having a cc and g... I do wonder if you have ever actually gired on game though... Since you like pointing fingers at thoae using xommon. Sense...
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
She still made the shot.

Would you like me to take her birthday away for punishment for going against your ethics?
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I would.

Kelly Timoffee said:
Do you also believe everything you read/see on the internet?Maybe they hammed it up to portray her as a novice/new shooter to "sell a product" as others suggest.She could be a competition F-class shooter for all we know.Many , many possibilities here.
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I actually wondered that too, but there's no evidence to suggest that, only my own suspicions, so I didn't mention it.
 
Actually just on this forum for the target shooting and precision rifles and such.I assume you meant fired on game.

When did I point fingers?

Superbrad said:
Blood pressure not rising... Its my birthday and I am having a cc and g... I do wonder if you have ever actually gired on game though... Since you like pointing fingers at thoae using xommon. Sense...
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I side with Kelly & Kman on this one. It's obvious by the video that a .243 cal is enough for an Elk if you have proper shot placement. The guide made a good call if he felt she'd shoot the .243 better than her .300 and he obviously new how to dial it in for the yardage. She sent it and killed the Elk, good. This is a new form of hunting that's hear to stay and the ones that will take advantage of it are the ones that are willing to dial there rigs in. She didn't dial the rig in but someone had to spend the time doing it and they were on it. She squeezed the trigger, the Elk went down and they caught it on film. Success all around. My friends come out with me and shoot my rigs to 600 and there surprised how easy it is. If they only knew how much time I spent to get that rifle to shoot they wouldn't think it was so easy.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Funny story. Maybe you already know.

My bow fell victim to a slip and fall. My quad slipped and fell on my bow!!!

Unfortunately had to finish off my season with the dang powder burning, noise makin, lead polluting rifle.:eek:
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####e I think I remember reading that cp:

Buy a Bowtech and come over to the dark side :D

Course, bowtechs are no good for making ethical shots on Deer.....................
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Actually just on this forum for the target shooting and precision rifles and such.I assume you meant fired on game.

When did I point fingers?
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Uh oh... Spell check police in the house... Lol... The fact that the shot was made is completely irrelevant... If it wasn't made it wouldn't be on youtube etc... It would be hidden... Nobody can debate the shot was made... Is that all that matters?... Could she do it again?... How many other times did she try? How many did she wound in the process?.. Are we stupid enough to take this at face value?.. If so, please tell me now so I can buy a pair of air jordans and start being able to dunk basketballs...cuz advertisements are always true
 
As a matter of fact it IS all that matters, you don't go hunting to miss do you?

Superbrad said:
Uh oh... Spell check police in the house... Lol... The fact that the shot was made is completely irrelevant... If it wasn't made it wouldn't be on youtube etc... It would be hidden... Nobody can debate the shot was made... Is that all that matters?... Could she do it again?... How many other times did she try? How many did she wound in the process?.. Are we stupid enough to take this at face value?.. If so, please tell me now so I can buy a pair of air jordans and start being able to dunk basketballs...cuz advertisements are always true
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It's not a shot with a 243 that I would ever take, or advise.
One circus shot proves nothing.
Big bears have been killed with the 22 Long. But you don't see folks hunting bear with them.
Obviously, with the right placement, whether by skill, or by luck, a kill is possible. However, at that range, there is far too much to go wrong for me even to contemplate the shot.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
As a matter of fact it IS all that matters, you don't go hunting to miss do you?
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Nope... But I go hunting and actually hunt and work to get within 100 yards... Unlike thes guys and gals... And I only missed once... Wounded a deer I never recovered... I spent 8 hours of straight up hiking trying to locate... If I was to put a vid on youtube... That hunt wouldn't be one... I am the real deal though.. Not some interwebs bullet seller...
 
Eagleye said:
The problem as I see it is: Some 243 owners get the idea that they can just blaze away at Elk, Moose or deer at 600+ yards, cause they saw it on the I-Net.
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I see this alot but ppl use 7mm rem mag, .308win, as well as .243 so I dont think I really matter what gun ppl use they will always blast away at animals from farther away then they can shoot
 
Well, hopefully one day we all can be just like you, the real deal.

Just gotta know, has anybody ever done anything that you approve of?

Superbrad said:
Nope... But I go hunting and actually hunt and work to get within 100 yards... Unlike thes guys and gals... And I only missed once... Wounded a deer I never recovered... I spent 8 hours of straight up hiking trying to locate... If I was to put a vid on youtube... That hunt wouldn't be one... I am the real deal though.. Not some interwebs bullet seller...
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Kelly Timoffee said:
Well, hopefully one day we all can be just like you, the real deal.

Just gotta know, has anybody ever done anything that you approve of?
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They dont call him Superbrad for nuthin'

Laffin!

Kelly, yesterday at this time you were telling ME to calm down and relax....now you've been caught hook line and sinker!

SB must have that effect...:D
 
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