270 winchester vs 30-06 springfield
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Jack O'connor hunted all over the world with a .270 Winchester and was constantly singing it's praises in Outdoor Life magazine. Yes, he hated the .270
Personally I like the the .270 and .30-06 equally well. The funny thing is I see no difference in killing power with proper shot placement.
Personally I like the the .270 and .30-06 equally well. The funny thing is I see no difference in killing power with proper shot placement.
westcoaster
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Now this is plausible...
Well Douglas, your comprehension is best suited to your lawyer(s) as it seems your ability
to comprehend is only dilligent on what you choose to understand....
and which it is you wish to defend.
You seem to choose your battles that your well paid allowance lets you do.
Some of us survive on the basics and seem to get along just fine.
And then along comes Jones.........
I can adjust to admire what you have accomplished and the boredom that sets in
with the bank funds of Richie Rich.
But to come on a site such as this and brag your way to the top just doesn't sit
well with me and I'm sure a few others.
So, as I've mentioned in the past, play fair.
I can't compete with the experience you have managed to achieve in your
life, nor do I try and gloat with mine.
The friends I have I count on one hand, only for the soul purpose.........
I choose my friends, the others I ignore.
Merry Christmas to you and with any luck the Mod's won't infraction me with this retort.
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ALBERTA BOY
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There was a couple of times where even he admitted that the 30'06 was superior. You don't think the JOC was being paid to promote a Winchester cartridge and a Winchester rifle do you?
He just happened to love the 270 and the Winchester Model 70 and had no other possible motivation for promoting them publicly, right?
"In private correspondence, though never in print, they even crossed over. In a letter I’ve seen, Keith grudgingly admitted that the .270, matched with a 150-grain Nosler Partition (the premium bullet of his day) would be perfectly adequate for elk. O’Connor, on his part, conceded that the .30-06 was actually more versatile than his beloved .270.
Read more: http://www.rifleshootermag.com/2011/12/22/jack-o%e2%80%99connor-versus-elmer-keith/#ixzz2G2YXKz2p"
Also, when asked his favorite cartridges:
"The .30-06, the .270, the .375, and the .416. Now you're going to ask me 'In what order?' In that order." - Jack O'Connor.
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The 308 Winchester has almost the exact same case capacity as the 30-40 Krag and .303 British, which established their long reputations using bullets of 220 and 215 gr respectively..... and did so in rifles not nearly a strong as those in which the 308 Win is chambered. Consequently, the 308 handles the heavy 220 bullets quite well.
I have loaded 220 gr Sierra RNs in the 308 for a number of years for hunting really big game. It is quite easy to get those bullets loafing along at close to 2400 fps, which is more than adequate for the task out to 200 yd.
Think of it as a 30-30 Magnum!
Now, back to the superiority of the 270 Win over the 30-06, which is an abundantly evident truth to anyone who has used both.
Ted
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"One of the hot-stove-league arguments now going on is whether the .30/06 or the .270 is the better big game cartridge. I have hunted for years with both calibers. Right now I have three .30-06's and three .270's. And that, I believe, shows how I feel.
As I see it, the 200-foot-seconds greater velocity of the 130-gr. .270 factory load gives it a slight edge over the 150-gr. .30/06 on lighter animals like deer, antelope and sheep. This .270 load also has a somewhat longer point-blank range, 275 yd. or thereabouts when the rifle is sighted in to put the bullet 4 in high at 200 . The point-blank range would be 250 yd. in the .30/06. A somewhat higher impact velocity at the longer ranges gives the .270, I believe, a higher percentage of instant kills than the .30/06. Flatter trajectory plus slightly less punishing recoil means that many hunters can do more accurate shooting with the .270.
On the other hand, the .30/06's heavier bullets make it a little superior on the larger animals. So while it's my belief that the .270 has the edge on lighter game, I'd give the .30/06 the nod on heavier animals. I doubt that anything that can be put through a .270 would be quite as effective on the heavier stuff as a good 180 grain bullet in the .30/06. And when a man is hunting really heavy and potentially dangerous game I don't think any .270 load is as effective as a good 220 gr. bullet in the .30/06, as these babies play for keeps and the bullet must drive into the vitals at all costs! Friends of mine who have hunted in Africa with the .270 and .30-06 say the latter's 220 gr. bullet is far more effective on big game than the .270 with any load."
As I see it, the 200-foot-seconds greater velocity of the 130-gr. .270 factory load gives it a slight edge over the 150-gr. .30/06 on lighter animals like deer, antelope and sheep. This .270 load also has a somewhat longer point-blank range, 275 yd. or thereabouts when the rifle is sighted in to put the bullet 4 in high at 200 . The point-blank range would be 250 yd. in the .30/06. A somewhat higher impact velocity at the longer ranges gives the .270, I believe, a higher percentage of instant kills than the .30/06. Flatter trajectory plus slightly less punishing recoil means that many hunters can do more accurate shooting with the .270.
On the other hand, the .30/06's heavier bullets make it a little superior on the larger animals. So while it's my belief that the .270 has the edge on lighter game, I'd give the .30/06 the nod on heavier animals. I doubt that anything that can be put through a .270 would be quite as effective on the heavier stuff as a good 180 grain bullet in the .30/06. And when a man is hunting really heavy and potentially dangerous game I don't think any .270 load is as effective as a good 220 gr. bullet in the .30/06, as these babies play for keeps and the bullet must drive into the vitals at all costs! Friends of mine who have hunted in Africa with the .270 and .30-06 say the latter's 220 gr. bullet is far more effective on big game than the .270 with any load."
-Jack O'Connor, 'Jack O'Connor's Gun Book', 1953, reprinted 1992
Depends if you're building, selling or buying.
Merry Chrismas to you as well, Looky.
Not sure what I posted here to piss you off, nor what I posted in this thread that would be construed as bragging. As far as being rich, well let's just say I've worked very hard all my life to get to this financial point. It sure as hell didn't come from my father, or any other relative. If you have a problem with this, well you seem to be in a majority. I will not apologise for working my ass off all my life to achieve my goals, and spend the money I made, the way I want to. If sharing these experiences here somehow offends you, then obviously I have made a mistake in choosing this forum, I thought this was what this site was all about.
Again Merry Chrismas to you and all yours.
Sincerely
Douglas
Oh sure. Go right ahead and shatter my boyhood illusions! I suppose there is no Santa Clause either?
I prefer the 3006. I love the 2506 and know what it can do. I'm not saying the 270cant kill big game but if I were hunting in an area with 8'-9' long grizzlies I'd feel pretty undergunned. The 3006 with its heavier bullets would make me feel a little better.
I've shot both the 270 and the 3006. I feel the 06 has an edge on large animals. There may be better choices out there for some ppl but the old 06 is common and available in affordable guns everywhere
I've shot both the 270 and the 3006. I feel the 06 has an edge on large animals. There may be better choices out there for some ppl but the old 06 is common and available in affordable guns everywhere
Johnn Peterson
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I have one of both, but speaking from a reloading standpoint, if I had to choose one I'd go with the '06 and primarily for the greater variety of bullet weights available to pick from.
primarily for the greater variety of bullet weights available to pick from.
RememberTheSomme
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I own both and have handloaded for both. They are two exceptional calibers, DaDa coming in at 107 years young and his boy at around 88years old. If the .30-06 is used as a benchmark caliber for North American game hunting, as so many people use it, the .277 version is a specialty version of the original. By specializing something(270) usually makes it superb in a particular role, but giving up the total flexibility of the original('06) design. Originally the .270 was developed to drive lighter weight bullets than the .30cal but still with good sectional densities at high velocities to obtain one thing,..... Flat trajectory and dropping power on medium size game beyond 300yards.
Today this original concept has been narrowed and the .270 brought into a more favourable light compared to it's Dad because of so many well constructed high BC bullets for it now. It was used for years I know with rounds such as the Dominion 160gr KKSP in Newfoundland for moose, but this projectile was more of a less than 200yd loading, and neutered its long range capabilities.
The .270 is a fine Open Plains medium game type cartridge that can double as a Moose or Elk rifle with proper bullets. The .30-06 is a fine Moose, Black Bear, Elk rifle that can double over for long range medium weight deer with proper bullets, but here today I don't think it does this role as well as the .270 doubles up to the '06's best use.
Pick one that most suits the game you will normally shoot, and either can double duty with specific bullets for the lesser hunted game. If you consider a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight, by all means choose the .270, they go together like peas and carrots.
Today this original concept has been narrowed and the .270 brought into a more favourable light compared to it's Dad because of so many well constructed high BC bullets for it now. It was used for years I know with rounds such as the Dominion 160gr KKSP in Newfoundland for moose, but this projectile was more of a less than 200yd loading, and neutered its long range capabilities.
The .270 is a fine Open Plains medium game type cartridge that can double as a Moose or Elk rifle with proper bullets. The .30-06 is a fine Moose, Black Bear, Elk rifle that can double over for long range medium weight deer with proper bullets, but here today I don't think it does this role as well as the .270 doubles up to the '06's best use.
Pick one that most suits the game you will normally shoot, and either can double duty with specific bullets for the lesser hunted game. If you consider a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight, by all means choose the .270, they go together like peas and carrots.
ALBERTA BOY
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...okay...and that has what to do with the fact that the '06 is capable of more?
...or are you suggesting that you'd feel comfortable with a 270 while hunting grizzly in B.C. with 150grain bullets instead of a 30-06 with 240 grain bullets
...or are you suggesting that you'd feel comfortable with a 270 while hunting grizzly in B.C. with 150grain bullets instead of a 30-06 with 240 grain bullets
Last time I looked the .270 and .30-06 shared the same case. You'd need a pretty fast twist rate to stabilize those slow moving 240 grain bullets in a 30-06. If hunting grizzly in B.C. I'd leave both the .270 and .30-06 at home and grab my .338.
