280AI or 30-06

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Very interesting.:confused: It appears that you haven't remained to quiet yourself..................hence your miltitude of posts compared to mine. Is that your personal quote, or you standing on the shoulders of the author. At least don't commit plagiarism, give the author some credit.
You just missed the bus............

My posts are words of infinite wisdom, you should take the time to read them (between range sessions of course). ;)

And now back to the topic.
 
My posts are words of infinite wisdom, you should take the time to read them (between range sessions of course). ;)

And now back to the topic.

No I won't read any of your posts. Standing on the roof of a house shooting at birds dosen't sound like wisdom to me, it's more like..........................
 
I can reduce it to one word as well Chuck and I have the hairy ones to say it.

Still "PhotoShop" your animals on line? I shoot the real thing without photoshop there Chucky. Consider it a compliment because that s the best I can say about you.

You should watch what you infer. It is unbecoming of you.

On that note, are you inferring that I show fake pictures of my animals or lie about them? I sure hope not.
 
I wasn't asking for you to justify yourself as a shooter, hunter or reloader. Sorry that you took it personally. I guess that it's only you and I in this big old world that practices other than the bench. Would you happen to know anyone else who does the same?...........I don't.;)
Edit: What range do you belong to? This year I frequent the Medicine Hat Range, in fact I just sent my son home there with 50 rounds of 7mm STW load development. This was the first year in 5 years that I did not renew my Oldman River membership. I will have to contact Dan in Lundbreck to renew once I receive the 6.5x284.;)

Speaking of that range, a little simple math tells me that the little one on the right has put more rounds down range than you so far this year. Admittedly though he does use the bench. Laugh2

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I don't know what to say here... I shoot all the time... Practice prone standing, leaning against a tree... But it's usually with a .223 or a .30-06 ... Does that count or is it too boring?... If I did it with a fancy calibre I could amaze the boys at tim hortons with because they never heard of it before would I be cool?... I am so confused...
 
You should watch what you infer. It is unbecoming of you.

On that note, are you inferring that I show fake pictures of my animals or lie about them? I sure hope not.

Your past and present coy and fraudulent inuendo's are maybe catching up with you Chuck, and they have been unbecoming of yourself.
As for the "photoshop", well I'll let the readers decide. Strange that we haven't met at the Oldman River Gun Club being that I was there at least a dozen times last year (2011 and the previous 4 years) Maybe that it was a Godsent that we didn't meet. In the meantime enjoy a pure true bonified 192 net Boone and Crockett Mulie..................no photoshop there.;)
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Nice shooting Archie! However, the Remington SAUM is mundane. They were a "want a be" cartridge that didn't sell well in the gun industry. Nothing to be sad about the 243, 25 WSSM, 7mm WSM fell in that category as well. Hang onto that firearm it may be resurrected like the 280 AI and the 6.5x284 Norma.;)

Far from mundane and no-where close to a wannabe. But it'll eat Coopers and #### Weatherbys. The WSSMs...well ya, they're filed with Coopers under "Useless Sh*t".
 
It all depends what you call practice shooting. Shooting from a bench where the rifle sits on shooting bags is not my idea of practicing shooting skills.........it's for the purpose to zero the point of impact. Kneeling, sitting, prone, and leaning up on a post or tree and shooting at various distances is my idea of practicing shooting skills. I guess that I'm the exception and not the rule because I never witnessed anyone at the range doing so, except the guys who have black guns or handguns.
Definitley not a coin toss between the 280 AI and the good ole 30-06 in the eyes of a rifleman or reloader. In todays world of hunters the 30-06 has become mundane along with other cartridges, except for the ones who utilize the poor excuse that you can find 30-06 cartridges at the mom and pops corner store.
You should go to the range more then :D
 
Knowing your firearm and cartridge is the first and foremost important tool to know prior to going hunting. Safe handling, shooting and knowing a firearm comes first, then you go hunting. (horse before the cart) My original point was that "it is a poor excuse to purchase a 30-06 for the convienence of ammunition".

:slap: if you know how to hunt and find animals , get close to them it takes only very basic shooting skills and a GASP mundane cartridge to make a clean kill !
 
Your past and present coy and fraudulent inuendo's are maybe catching up with you Chuck, and they have been unbecoming of yourself.
As for the "photoshop", well I'll let the readers decide. Strange that we haven't met at the Oldman River Gun Club being that I was there at least a dozen times last year (2011 and the previous 4 years) Maybe that it was a Godsent that we didn't meet. In the meantime enjoy a pure true bonified 192 net Boone and Crockett Mulie..................no photoshop there.;)
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No photoshop there. But you do have the whole "strech your arm out and get as far back from the antlers to make it look bigger" trick mastered. The antlers look 4 feet wide. Camera trickery is amazing but doesn't trick people who compare the antlers to the deers head and not the guy. Aside from that....it is a very nice muley.
 
Strange that we haven't met at the Oldman River Gun Club being that I was there at least a dozen times last year (2011 and the previous 4 years)

So in your dozen trips a year to the range, you've got the whole world figured out...

I shoot a lot, but not at a licensed rifle range...That way I can avoid people that think they know everything...
 
I went with a 30-06. Until the safe is filled up with situation specific firearms the 06 can handle everything I need it to do. I think a secondary point here is practice practice practice with whichever you choose. Get to know your rifle and how the load you develop shoots from it at varying ranges from varying positions.
 
Being numbered amongst the 99.9999%, I must be missing something, although I'm just not sure what it might be. Naturally my shooting consists of load evaluation and confirmation of a load's zero, but I strive to achieve and maintain a minimum level of competence in practical marksmanship. I define practical marksmanship as shooting under time constraints, at targets at unknown ranges, which lack a specific aiming point, that maybe stationary or moving, from supported and non-supported positions, and from both the strong and support side. Of course there's more to it than this as we must also contend with and allow for variations in temperature, wind, and target angle in addition to range.

Ambidextrous shooting certainly paid off in Africa when I rugged my warthog which was running flat out, quartering away to the right, with a shot off my left shoulder. I may never need to use that skill again, but it paid off that day, and is one of the most memorable game shots I've ever made. Somewhere along the way, I discovered its easier to react to a situation if you've already programmed yourself to react a certain way. In this case I knew that if I got a shot to the right, I would shoot from my left side rather than attempting to turn towards it.

Another drill which has paid off for me is cycling the action at the shoulder as quickly as possible without consideration of the effect of the bullet on the target. Thus one is ready for a followup without the delay of first realizing that the animal wasn't down, followed by cycling the action (often at waist level) followed by remounting the rifle, finding the cheek weld, and finally making the shot, if there is still a target to shoot at. One of my drills is to stand behind a vehicle that pulls a plastic oil pail on a line, and engage the pail as it bounces and rolls towards me. I've discovered that a rapidly approaching target, moving in an irregular, unpredictable manner, is far more difficult that a running broadside target at medium range.

When I learned that I would use a double rifle on my safari, I borrowed a side-by-side open choke shotgun and shot up a few hundred slugs in perpetration. As it turned out that practice proved insufficient as I never acquired a comfort level with the double rifle, even though I killed my buffalo with it. One problem was the loads were hot enough to stick the action, requiring the shooter to bump the hinge over his knee to open it. I discovered that extractors suck, (that shotgun had extractors too). The rear express sight was narrow and deep where it should have been wide and shallow, and I found it was taking me much longer to make a shot than it should have; I wouldn't trade that $40K English double for my $5K custom Brno.

What does this have to do with the .280 AI vs .30/06 debate? Not a damn thing, except that the rifleman who owns a .280 AI is likely, although not necessarily an enthusiast, and the enthusiast will tend to shoot and hunt more frequently than the typical annual deer hunter. Now despite being numbered amongst the 99.9999%, I do consider myself an enthusiast. I would think those who bother to spend much time on a firearms forum are also enthusiasts. The real difference between us isn't the desire to shoot or hunt, the difference is the opportunity we have to feed our addictions. My opportunities are pretty good, in that I live in a place that is very gun tolerant, and my house is 250 yards from Hudson Bay's high tide mark. Hudson Bay by the way is the world's largest rifle range when its ice covered. Some of us have more opportunities than others who face financial and/or geographic restrictions to their addiction, and those of us who have the opportunities should not look down on those who can only shoot 500 rounds a year.
 
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What does this have to do with the .280 AI vs .30/06 debate? Not a damn thing, except that the rifleman who owns a .280 AI is likely, although not necessarily an enthusiast, and the enthusiast will tend to shoot and hunt more frequently than the typical annual deer hunter. Now despite being numbered amongst the 99.9999%, I do consider myself an enthusiast. I would think those who bother to spend much time on a firearms forum are also enthusiasts. The real difference between us isn't the desire to shoot or hunt, the difference is the opportunity we have to feed our addictions. My opportunities are pretty good, in that I live in a place that is very gun tolerant, and my house is 250 yards from Hudson Bay's high tide mark. Hudson Bay by the way is the world's largest rifle range when its ice covered. Some of us have more opportunities than others who face financial and/or geographic restrictions to their addiction, and those of us who have the opportunities should not look down on those who can only shoot 500 rounds a year.

This is just simply an opinion and quite frankly untrue. Here is a blurb from a gentleman that owns some very high end custom rifles. But very few guns altogether and has taken literally hundreds of head of game throughout the world. And he is a gun enthusiast. This was yesterday by the way.

"I have concluded that fewer is more when it comes to rifles. This is particularly true if one is a hunter. Far too many "hunt" for the next rifle rather than go into the field. I could easily live with a pair of 270's, a Big 7, and one "bigger" gun . As much as I like the idea of a Big 7, I could probably get along without one."

I could conclude that some should get rid of about 20 rifles in the safe, by a good 270/30-06 and shoot it more.
 
So I'm dumb because I hunt with an '06? Or don't practice
because my caliber isn't "rare" or exotic? Way to advance
the hunting sport folks. Now I know a person I don't
need to ever bother meeting.
 
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