300 mag vs 338 mag?
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The Swifts will make TSXs run and hide.
The Swifts are nice, but about as aerodynamic as a bag of marshmellows. They do make great big holes though.
Laurel Mtn.
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- Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
Who said anything about reloading manual "maximum" loads?
All with a 24 inch barrel:
.300 Weatherby Mag: 200gr(S.D.-301) 3069fps, Energy 4174 ft-lbs.
8mm Rem Mag: 220gr(S.D.-301) 3100fps, Energy 4685 ft-lbs.
.338 Win Mag: 250gr(S.D.-313) 2779fps, Energy 4278 ft-lbs.
Here is a great site that lists all of these,
http://www.reloadersnest.com/rifle.asp
Did somebody say .264 Win Mag?? One of my favorites! You should see what that can do with a 140gr at close to 3300fps! (Not in any manual)
Here is the Information-Links page on my website, there are 200 websites on it.
http://laurelmountain.webs.com/apps/links/
All with a 24 inch barrel:
.300 Weatherby Mag: 200gr(S.D.-301) 3069fps, Energy 4174 ft-lbs.
8mm Rem Mag: 220gr(S.D.-301) 3100fps, Energy 4685 ft-lbs.
.338 Win Mag: 250gr(S.D.-313) 2779fps, Energy 4278 ft-lbs.
Here is a great site that lists all of these,
http://www.reloadersnest.com/rifle.asp
Did somebody say .264 Win Mag?? One of my favorites! You should see what that can do with a 140gr at close to 3300fps! (Not in any manual)
Here is the Information-Links page on my website, there are 200 websites on it.
http://laurelmountain.webs.com/apps/links/
OK I have to jump in here. Its a harder caliber to find loaded ammo for but double tap has it.
Double Tap ammunition is made using high quality components and every cartridge is hand inspected for flaws before leaving the factory. Weldcore bullets are made from a gilding metal that consists of 90% copper and 10% zinc. The gilded jacket helps to retain the bullet's maximum weight while also limited fragmentation. In return, this creates a deep penetrating, controlled expansion bullet that is reliable at various velocities. This ammunition is new production, non-corrosive, in boxer primed, reloadable brass cases.
Technical Information
•Caliber: 8mm Remington Magnum
•Bullet Weight: 250 Grains
•Bullet Style: Woodleigh Weldcore Round Nose Soft Point
•Case Type: Brass
Ballistics Information:
•Muzzle Velocity: 3000 fps **
•Muzzle Energy: 4399 ft. lbs.
(** Approximate velocity. Resulting velocity may vary and will be listed on each box)
Attention!
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Technical Information
•Caliber: 8mm Remington Magnum
•Bullet Weight: 180 Grains
•Bullet Style: Barnes Triple-Shock X Bullet Hollow Point Lead-Free
•Case Type: Brass
Ballistics Information:
•Muzzle Velocity: 3350 fps**
(** Approximate velocity. Resulting velocity may vary and will be listed on each box)
Nosler loads this available from Midway
Technical Information
•Caliber: 8mm Remington Magnum
•Bullet Weight: 180 Grains
•Bullet Style: Ballistic Tip Hunting
•Case Type: Brass
Ballistics Information:
•Muzzle Velocity: 3200 fps
•Muzzle Energy: 4092 ft. lbs.
Technical Information
•Caliber: 8mm Remington Magnum
•Bullet Weight: 200 Grains
•Bullet Style: AccuBond Spitzer
•Case Type: Brass
Ballistics Information:
•Muzzle Velocity: 3000 fps
•Muzzle Energy: 3996 ft. lbs.
You can also get 200 an 220 Swift A frames but you need to load them yourself. Hawk also offers up to 250 grain bullets and GS Custom offers a 170 grain bullet that should cook out at 3400 ft per second or so. This makes the 8mm Rem a very versitial longgggggg range cartridge that will do every thing either the 300 or the 338 will do. Granted the Lapua and 338 RUM etc will out do it.
Double Tap ammunition is made using high quality components and every cartridge is hand inspected for flaws before leaving the factory. Weldcore bullets are made from a gilding metal that consists of 90% copper and 10% zinc. The gilded jacket helps to retain the bullet's maximum weight while also limited fragmentation. In return, this creates a deep penetrating, controlled expansion bullet that is reliable at various velocities. This ammunition is new production, non-corrosive, in boxer primed, reloadable brass cases.
Technical Information
•Caliber: 8mm Remington Magnum
•Bullet Weight: 250 Grains
•Bullet Style: Woodleigh Weldcore Round Nose Soft Point
•Case Type: Brass
Ballistics Information:
•Muzzle Velocity: 3000 fps **
•Muzzle Energy: 4399 ft. lbs.
(** Approximate velocity. Resulting velocity may vary and will be listed on each box)
Attention!
and
Technical Information
•Caliber: 8mm Remington Magnum
•Bullet Weight: 180 Grains
•Bullet Style: Barnes Triple-Shock X Bullet Hollow Point Lead-Free
•Case Type: Brass
Ballistics Information:
•Muzzle Velocity: 3350 fps**
(** Approximate velocity. Resulting velocity may vary and will be listed on each box)
Nosler loads this available from Midway
Technical Information
•Caliber: 8mm Remington Magnum
•Bullet Weight: 180 Grains
•Bullet Style: Ballistic Tip Hunting
•Case Type: Brass
Ballistics Information:
•Muzzle Velocity: 3200 fps
•Muzzle Energy: 4092 ft. lbs.
Technical Information
•Caliber: 8mm Remington Magnum
•Bullet Weight: 200 Grains
•Bullet Style: AccuBond Spitzer
•Case Type: Brass
Ballistics Information:
•Muzzle Velocity: 3000 fps
•Muzzle Energy: 3996 ft. lbs.
You can also get 200 an 220 Swift A frames but you need to load them yourself. Hawk also offers up to 250 grain bullets and GS Custom offers a 170 grain bullet that should cook out at 3400 ft per second or so. This makes the 8mm Rem a very versitial longgggggg range cartridge that will do every thing either the 300 or the 338 will do. Granted the Lapua and 338 RUM etc will out do it.
The original question was 300wm or 338wm...I have used both for years, 300wm in a ruger paddle and 338wm in a L61R sako. both rifles fit correctly and weigh about the same...recoil is comparable,accuracy is compareable,everything I have shot with both is dead....find a rifle that fits you properly, is not to light or heavy, and is the best quality you can afford, and top it with the best glass you can afford, practise, practise, practise...300wm or 338wm ????? either will do for anything in North America!
while we re speaking of calibers dont see the 9,3x62 mentionned.
but if you take the accubond in 250 grains meeting the world of 300 and 338 win mag with a slight less recoil if you re sensitive on that side ...
while i like my 375 ruger my next rifle will be again a 9,3x62 ...
but if you take the accubond in 250 grains meeting the world of 300 and 338 win mag with a slight less recoil if you re sensitive on that side ...
while i like my 375 ruger my next rifle will be again a 9,3x62 ...
Holy Jeezas by's what are ye hunting? Must be Blue Whale season out west is it? I can't think of one animal that walks on the North American continent that a 338 will kill, that a 300 wm won't. Heck I will even throw the 30-06 in there as well.
My 338wm and 300wm rifles are MY security blanket in grizzly country, I always hope I will never NEED the extra firepower, but I will carry it and feel the safer for it..living on the rock,I guess this would not be a consideration for you...
obviously you haven't seen the big browns of amchitka island- they LAUGH at 300s- you need a 338 with SOLIDS ( as in solid copper, no lead core to seperate) and the 338 is considered the BOTTOM of the spectrum out there- more likely is the 416, and 458 win mag-
a friend of mine tells of a brownie that they had to shoot while fishing- with a 416- they found 2( count em 2) 300 slugs in scar tissue in the hump on the shoulder- wonder what the story was behind that one?
When you are hunting the thick timber calling elk, sometimes 60 yards is a long shot. In the area I hunt ,Many times I have smelled the bear before you can see it...I agree that the best thing to do is to avoid getting to near any bear ,but sometimes the choice is not yours, In these cases, it is way better to be over gunned than to be packing a lightweight.
- Location
- Eastern Edge of the Foothills
Okay, he found 2 .30 caliber slugs, but for all we know they were from a .308win, or a 300 savage. There's no way to tell they were from a 300 magnum.
- Location
- Eastern Edge of the Foothills
Wait-- You said the 30 cal slugs were found in scar tissue in a bear that was killed by your friend with a 416.
So you're saying the bear was shot with the 30 cal slugs and survived. Not only survived, but the 30 cal slug holes were healed over-- thus the scar tissue.
So how did your friend re-create the shot distance at under 100 yards from the initial 30 cal shooting? How did he find casings from that shooting, and determine they were from the same incident as the 30 cal-healed-over shooting incident?
Or did the bear get shot with the 30 cal, and them immediately come over to your friend to get finished off with the 416? If the later case, then there wouldn't be scar tissue. But, then your friend would know the details of the initial wounding.
If there was, in fact, scar tissue, then the bear healed up, and continued to move around and live it's life, an no one would be able to say what casings were involved. And if your friend found some casings laying around, then it's a pretty big assumption to think that those casings were invloved in the initial wounding of that same bear.
So you're saying the bear was shot with the 30 cal slugs and survived. Not only survived, but the 30 cal slug holes were healed over-- thus the scar tissue.
So how did your friend re-create the shot distance at under 100 yards from the initial 30 cal shooting? How did he find casings from that shooting, and determine they were from the same incident as the 30 cal-healed-over shooting incident?
Or did the bear get shot with the 30 cal, and them immediately come over to your friend to get finished off with the 416? If the later case, then there wouldn't be scar tissue. But, then your friend would know the details of the initial wounding.
If there was, in fact, scar tissue, then the bear healed up, and continued to move around and live it's life, an no one would be able to say what casings were involved. And if your friend found some casings laying around, then it's a pretty big assumption to think that those casings were invloved in the initial wounding of that same bear.
