.308 Norinco Surp + my AR = :(
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Red rifles were designed to fire steel cased,copper washed, lacquered cartridges. Most everything else was meant to fire brass cased, copper jacketed ammo. Chinese "surplus" .308 is a far stretch from 7.62x51 NATO surplus.
I tried it for the first time this weekend. I put about 100 rds thru my Armalite AR10 with no problem at all. It's just plinking ammo for me, so accuracy was ok. The cases feel rather gritty, and there is no way I would let them near any rifle with a match chamber, but for my carbine it'll do. I don't mind reloading for the match gun, but I can't reload for plinking for what a case of this costs
Are the bullets themselves copper jacketed or are they bi-metal? If a magnet sticks to the bullet they are bi-metal.
If they're not copper I would strongly suggest not running them through any rifle you have that's worth more than $500. Bi-metal jacketing will destroy your rifling in only a few thousand rounds.
Norinco ammo is fine in a n M305 or a cheap AR that uses a cheap and easy to change barrel but I wouldn't run it in anything of value.
If they're not copper I would strongly suggest not running them through any rifle you have that's worth more than $500. Bi-metal jacketing will destroy your rifling in only a few thousand rounds.
Norinco ammo is fine in a n M305 or a cheap AR that uses a cheap and easy to change barrel but I wouldn't run it in anything of value.
I won't fire another round of it through this gun.
Was a gamble and I crapped out.
failed and restuck primer, fired on the first try primer, unfired....
Wow, i am thinking bad crate maybe? Even the unfired round looks way dirtier and even a different colour to what i got from my crate. The "surplus" stuff that i have is all shiny and pretty clean looking. At a glance you would never be able to tell it apart from newer manufacture brass cases.
RememberTheSomme
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I won't fire another round of it through this gun.
Was a gamble and I crapped out.
failed and restuck primer, fired on the first try primer, unfired....
I've put 1200 rounds down range from various lots with no FTF or FTE with good accuracy. Your cases look struck hard enough to fire and if you rifle will fire 762NATO everytime, it's possible primers have deteriorated over time and the possibly the powder deteriorating has chemically work hardened the brass primer cups making them extremely hard. Just a theory.
What year ammo am I seeing here? One case looks '82, '83?
I've only seen CJ '95 and CJ '96 in my lots. I usually just buy it local in 125 round packs and have used different years all from the '90s. Your cases have the factory 61 headstamp and look like 1982 and 1983. Possibly the storage of this older lots was improper and their stabilzation in this ammo was poor. The year alone however is not the issue here really, as many of us are pounding rounds down range from this very factory 61 with dates all through the 1960's in our SKS's with narry a hiccup.
The failure to chamber on first round, I have no explanation for at all. That is weird if your mags are good and your rifle holds the mags up and tight..
This would be a very good reason for a return and a re-issue of newer lots from the 90's if available. I haven't read any other threads on failure to fire if struck hard enough with Norc 762N or 762X39. from factory 61.
****Update*** This thread got me thinking so I just got back from my local store with another 125 round battle pack of Norc ammo. It's the first lot I've had stamped with factory 61 and with 1200 through already and around 1000 on hand that's funny . It's a '93 year and the extraction groves on the cases look dark and scummy much like the OP's ammo. The first lots that weren't nice and clean for me. Does anyone know if CJ 762N ammo is still actually from factory 61, or any other chinese factory for that matter or is it a latter(CJ) a commercial run for export???
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So it's a crap lot. Sounds about right.
The rifle itself has run without fail for 800+ rounds of everything else.
Anyway, it's not worth trying to fire these any more through this gun. It's not a high end rifle by any means but it's accurate so I shouldn't be feeding it #### in the first place.
Thanks for the input guys.
So it's a crap lot. Sounds about right.
The rifle itself has run without fail for 800+ rounds of everything else.
Anyway, it's not worth trying to fire these any more through this gun. It's not a high end rifle by any means but it's accurate so I shouldn't be feeding it #### in the first place.
Thanks for the input guys.
shooterman
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Do one better and melt it down for 'Art'....that'll school those that don't pour crap ammo through their guns...or not?
Well I'm a long ways off from being able to afford one these days, but it would be fun to put a bunch of norc through one to see how it does.
