.308 Reloading moa what do to next for submoa?

I hear you my area is sheltered but there is wind, thats why I suggested to take a reading at the target location and points walking back to the shooting location and average it...

I have shot 223 in the same location and really do like the fact that the 308 is much less effected by the wind. Days that I wouldn't even bothered shooting 223 I still shot the 308.

I am no means an expert I am just pick up stuff along the way and learning as I go... I have lots of years of shooting practice but only I would say 1 solid year of long range shooting. Its fun... I will soon outgrow the distance avalible to me then what ??? go for maxium accuracy... start doing shooting postitions like crouch and standing and see how far you can go... I think I am going to start shooting standing and try and work my way out because I really suck when it comes to standing.
 
Standing is *HARD* (translation: I suck at it too!). It's no more difficult to shoot standing at 600 yards, but it's also no easier to shoot standing at 25 yards - both are hard!!

A skilled shooting partner can often help you get on target even when there is no impact information available (he can set up his spotting scope behind you, and when you fire your shot he can watch your "swirl" and follow the bullet into the target).

I can't recall if your shooting location allows you to fire from intermediate distances or if you have only one firing point. If the former, you can approach your (say) 725 yard shot by starting 300 yards from the target, getting on (and dialing in the wind), move back to 500 yard and do the same, then go to 725 and apply a skilfully guessed wind (how much you used at 500, times the ratio of wind drift at 725 to 500).
 
Some of these tight groups shot by people standing at like 1000 yards seem near impossible to me since its pretty hard to do it on a rest :) They must be really strong to hold the gun and steady long enough to get precisely on target.

I have the area to shoot 100,200,300,400,600,800 on my current area... I was on paper at 600 shooting 10 shot groups at a spread of 8" x 6"... Then I unmounted my scope to see about swaping the barrels on my gun and the remounted it... zeroed at 100 and dialed up for 725yards I am not suprised I didnt hit it... it was the end of the day I and I just had to try it anyways. I was also very wet so I didnt get any dirt kicking up and the area where the target is there is grass. I am trying to spot my own shots but when you have the scope dialed up at 25x the recoil sets it off target by the time I can find the target again the bullet is long been there already.

I have decided against swaping the barrel and leaving my sps tactical alone... its a good shooter and if I want a longer barrel or something more accurate I am going to sell this gun and buy another one.

I am shooting more tactical style anyways its ok to work up to a distance for research and getting your ballistics chart down but I like challange so, I'll do some shooting at 200 then dial for 400 and then 600 go back to 400... It helps getting that first shot where you want it.

Like I said I just go out on a saturday enjoy shooting and like to challange myself to see how far and how good I can be. I am just lucky to have my own area to shoot because lot of the ranges dont go out very far anymore, I dont have to wait for the line to be clear to check my targets etc... Its not like you can't have fun shooting at 100,200,300 yards but it gets boring after a while if you keep shooting the same groups over and over agian and cant shrink them anymore.

When I get some more funds I am going to buy a cheap video camera to leave downrange to spot the hits and misses.
 
Ok experts I have had two cases cracked like this what's up... cheap brass or hot load ?
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Here is an interesting find... want to know what's left after a bullet travels 400 yards and impacts a steel plate? I was finding these little circular disks lying around I am guessing they are the bottem of the boat tail.

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It was new winchester brass, its maybe been shot 5 times. Out of the 100 cases I have been using only 2 have failed like this leading me to belive they are flaws in the materials. But I thought I would see what others had to say... I neck sized them once with lee's collet dies and full lenght sized the rest of the time.
 
I made it out to 725 yards yesterday... My groupings opened up much more then at 600 which I find odd... because the fields are planted I only have the oppertunity to shoot about 2 more weekends... its pretty cool I couldn't track them out to the target but because its sheltered you could hear the bullet wizzing down to the target... it was about 32 out yesterday the mirage was pretty bad. The back of my legs are burnt from lying prone :)

For all you ORA guys are any of the ranges longer then 600 that you shoot at in ontario and do you have days just to get out and practice? I walked like 10000 yards to check targets yesterday and I am running out of space I'd really like to try shooting 800 900 1000.

Best part was I sighting in at 100 dialed for 725 and all 5 shot hit the paper I had.

I should be getting my chrony and wind guage soon which should help, I did a bit of shooting with my 223 yesterday too... I forgot how much recoil the 308 had going from the 308 to the 223 was like switching to a 22lr kinda makes me want to get into something like a savage 22-250 and some 80 grain bullets... maybe this fall. I am a hard core remington supporter but savage is got some nice things out there for long range shooting.
 
Borden has a 1000 yard range, it is where most of the ORA shooting is done. Winona (Hamilton area) was an 800 yard range but I think that the full length of it is no longer usable. Cedar Springs (Windsor-ish) used to be a 1000 yard range but is not only 300m (or 400?). Connaught ranges (Ottawa) is 900m.

Your five shots on the paper at 725 yards, how big was your paper?

Sometimes you can get up before sunrise, get your gear all set up, and fire off a group in the calm still air just as it becomes light enough to see. Sometimes you can get fantastic groups this way.

.223s sure are a civilized way to shoot, eh? A thousand yard popgun that you just can't miss with...

BTW you now have a Shooter's Tan.
 
Just saying I hear all this talk about remington 700's and to shoot MOA just doesn't impress me for that kind of Money! Especially with the setup descibed by the OP. I have had 2 Stevens 200's that both shoot Sub MOA all day. 1/2 MOA 5 shot groups are normal off a bipod and rear rest for both my .223 and .270! I just started handloading and have been consistently shooting 1/2 MOA with the .223. If I spent 500 bucks on a barrel it would only get better so I just can't see how people talk so much of the 700's. If your gonna do a custom build why not start with a Savage, or Stevens?
 
Paper was big 36"x36" they where flying left and low thats why I missed the small plate every time last weekend. I had a orange 8.5x11 paper in the middle I was hopeing to keep them all on that paper but it never happened... The 5 first hits where 1.5 moa or 2 moa for that distance. I need a wireless camera to be more productive shooting longer distances. Because its sucks takeing 5 shots and then walking 2000 yards to check them... I can't walk in a straight line or I crush the beans lol. I am so used to shooting and being able to see the hit and correcting if need be its a whole different game when you cant see the hits.
I did manage to hit the 7"X6" plate gong I had out several times... but as many misses as hits.

I swaped stocks to my thumbhole after I modified the screws so I could get the right torque specs... I am going to try some different torque specs maybe I have them torqued to tight now... I need to get a softer recoil pad then that hard boyds 1/2" thick solid rubber

I got a shooters tan, farmers tan, and lumber jacks tan this week... :)

Borden is near barrie? It's probally the closest range to me.
 
mlehtovaara said:
Just saying I hear all this talk about remington 700's and to shoot MOA just doesn't impress me for that kind of Money! Especially with the setup descibed by the OP. I have had 2 Stevens 200's that both shoot Sub MOA all day. 1/2 MOA 5 shot groups are normal off a bipod and rear rest for both my .223 and .270! I just started handloading and have been consistently shooting 1/2 MOA with the .223. If I spent 500 bucks on a barrel it would only get better so I just can't see how people talk so much of the 700's. If your gonna do a custom build why not start with a Savage, or Stevens?
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What distance are you shooting at?

Reason I don't like savage is there not visually appealing to me... I know its kind of a stupid reason but I might let that slide and try one out...

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Lets see your rig and post some groups you shot.
 
Reason I don't like savage is there not visually appealing to me... I know its kind of a stupid reason but I might let that slide and try one out...
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I was always a rem700 guy until I saw a guy one day with a savage FTR .308 shoting 1inch 5 shot groups at 300 yards, out of box. So I recently bought an f/tr , I posted pics of the f/tr and some of my groups in another thread. Not only is it an awesome shooter( I have never had a factory 700 even come close to this kind of out of box accuracy) but its a nice looking gun as well.
 
Completely factory besides the single shot folower, and the black paint! Topped with a Bushnell Banner 6-24x40. I have a Boyds Thumbhole waiting to be fitted when I get the chance.
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All my shots so far have been at 100m. I have just started shooting rifles and between this and my .270 I have only put about 500 rounds downrange. I was just shooting factory ammo getting MOA and better, but just startred with the handloads abd Im impressed! These are from Friday at 100m testing my new favourite load - 24.5 grains of H335 with bulk Hornady 55 grain FMJ. I am thinking I can do alot better with quality bullets but I am cheap.
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They are both under 1/2 an inch, the better being almost 1/4, I had 20 rounds and the other 2 groups were just over 1/2 inch with a couple flyers, but I only had the 20 rounds.

This is the best group I ever shot to before yesterday. Only 3 shots but 0.330 was exciting for me.
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mlehtovaara said:
Just saying I hear all this talk about remington 700's and to shoot MOA just doesn't impress me for that kind of Money! Especially with the setup descibed by the OP. I have had 2 Stevens 200's that both shoot Sub MOA all day. 1/2 MOA 5 shot groups are normal off a bipod and rear rest for both my .223 and .270! I just started handloading and have been consistently shooting 1/2 MOA with the .223. If I spent 500 bucks on a barrel it would only get better so I just can't see how people talk so much of the 700's. If your gonna do a custom build why not start with a Savage, or Stevens?
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Mleh Tovaara, do you do realise that you are a naturally gifted shooter, that not everyone can consistantly do, what you consistantly do, with their own out of the box stevens rifles.

Andrew, looks like your having a lot of fun. Keep up the good work. :) I hear what you're saying about the 308 compared to the 223. I put a bull barrel on my 223 stevens recently and when I shot my 308 afterwards I started contemplating retireing the 308. Maybe sticking the takeoff 223 barrel onto the 308 action and just shooting 223 from now on. At paper anyways. :D
 
warrenb said:
Mleh Tovaara, do you do realise that you are a naturally gifted shooter, that not everyone can consistantly do, what you consistantly do, with their own out of the box stevens rifles.
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I guess I just never really though of it that way, but thanks. I am just very impressed with these rifles, and I guess being pretty new to this sport I am just excited to do so well. Still I just cant see myself doing any better with a Remington you know what I mean. Sure the pencil barrel on this thing makes it a pain in the ass to have to wait between groups, but for $360 I think the Stevens is awesome.

Again to the OP(although not sure how long this thread goes back) I apologize for the Hijack!

I will admit the Rem 700's do look awesome and the Tactical especially. But I am a student on a budget and to get into this game for about $600 bucks for my whole rig is awesome.

Cheers
Mark
 
Actually those hornady 55 grain fmj are pretty darn good bullets when it comes to quality control... I would use them buy since I am on my own property and I want to make sure my bullets stay there I prefer to use holopoints or tipped bullets because when they hit something solid they are gone.

Those are pretty good groups from what is essentially a factory hunting rifle. 223 is easy to shoot tight groups... I also have a 270 but rarely shoot it... I dont remember how the recoil feels compared to a 308 but shooting the 308 is a bit different then 223 when it comes to recoil... I normally don't hold my forearm on the gun just tuck that extra hand under the stock in the back and the 308 jumps pretty good...

I am also on a buget selling bullets isn't as lucrative as I though but it gives me just enough money to get out and do some long range shooting.

Try some 5 and 10 shot groups and see if all your groups for the entire day stay that size if they are your a better shot then me... which I never claimed to be a good shot in the first place I was trying to represnt what shooting long range is really like useing budget equiptment, unlike many armchair experts I am out there doing it.
 
The first 2 were 5 shot groups, the last was not I know! The longest range I have access to is 200 yards, and I have shot at that distance only a few times. I figure I need to get all the practice in at 100 before I start shooting 200. Still MOA at 200 is what usually happens. The best Ive done was with the .270 which was a 3 shot group of an inch.
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I guess Im gonna have to start shooting at 200m then. We shall see how that goes on Tuesday!!
 
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