308 vs6.5 creedmore
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Just read a review on Midway USA for Barnes 127gr VorTx ammo. 14 year old girl shot a bison, 150 yards, bullet went through both shoulders and was found under the offside hide. With pictures. Sure bet they wish they had a 308! lol.
Still can't think of any shot that I would take with a 308 but pass on with a 6.5 CM, and no hesitation to stick a moose with one.
Still can't think of any shot that I would take with a 308 but pass on with a 6.5 CM, and no hesitation to stick a moose with one.
I don’t reload, can’t show you. I speak only in off the shelf. Where all can play. When you do the compare be sure to include recoil energy.
pete dobinson
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You could do that but the 130 gr 270 bullet would have a higher BC and that would be the same as the CM discussion.
You could do that but the 130 gr 270 bullet would have a higher BC and that would be the same as the CM discussion.
Hahaha it would, no argument here! but I cant ever imagine shooting far enough for it to matter. 300 yards is plenty for this guy. Hard to imagine an on-game shot at 400...but it could!
It FEELS like its a 270 though, so let's be tolerant.
pete dobinson
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Agree, none of us would be able to tell in a hunting scenario but on paper and ballistic charts maybe...... thats it!
Makes a bigger hole. Energy etc is going to depend on bullet weight, speed, etc. Hitting power? Well, define your terms and let the arguments begin. We drifted off into "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" territory long ago. - dan
Look at 10 deer, 5 shots each, and tell me which was done with which. Get em all right, and 308 "hits harder". But I bet it will be impossible to say.
How would you even measure that? Mean number of seconds before death? Number of steps taken? A multivariate analysis of the two? Bet the result comes back as not statistically significant.
They're two rounds that are perfectly ethical for medium to big game within pretty much the same range envelope and you can't point out a situation where one would be enough and the other would not.
I'd say that rather makes it a tie.
Eggs-actly.
How much energy is needed anyway, becomes a pretty relevant question depending only on wounding mechanism. A 405 grain hard cast lead flat nose from a 45/70 may only have 1300 ft/lbs left when it gets to 100 yards. Anyone think it can't kill just as quick as a 308 or a 6.5 with twice as much energy? I dunno about that one.
In terms of "hit hard" if one looks at an energy dump the ugliest wound I ever put on a whitetail was a 120gr Ballistic Tip from a 6.5x55 going very fast that hit one on the shoulder. Looked like a grenade went off inside the chest, and there was no exit. If your 308 continues on its merry way after exiting the deer, sorry, it didn't transmit as much energy lol.
How would you even measure that? Mean number of seconds before death? Number of steps taken? A multivariate analysis of the two? Bet the result comes back as not statistically significant.
They're two rounds that are perfectly ethical for medium to big game within pretty much the same range envelope and you can't point out a situation where one would be enough and the other would not.
I'd say that rather makes it a tie.
dan belisle said:
Eggs-actly.
How much energy is needed anyway, becomes a pretty relevant question depending only on wounding mechanism. A 405 grain hard cast lead flat nose from a 45/70 may only have 1300 ft/lbs left when it gets to 100 yards. Anyone think it can't kill just as quick as a 308 or a 6.5 with twice as much energy? I dunno about that one.
In terms of "hit hard" if one looks at an energy dump the ugliest wound I ever put on a whitetail was a 120gr Ballistic Tip from a 6.5x55 going very fast that hit one on the shoulder. Looked like a grenade went off inside the chest, and there was no exit. If your 308 continues on its merry way after exiting the deer, sorry, it didn't transmit as much energy lol.
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Clearly not lacking too much in the energy department.
Whether or not a deer runs or drops is a function of where you hit him. CNS shot they drop. Not a CNS shot? Not gonna drop.
Ok, maybe if you break both shoulders but still.
We're talking about two rifle rounds that are both more than enough gun for deer, and neither will drop one reliably unless its put in a place where its mechanically going to drop them.
Shoot em through the organs with even a 12 ga slug, but don't hit spine or break shoulders? They run lol. 30-06? They can run. And on. Even with a completely destroyed heart, the deer has a few seconds worth of oxygenated blood already hitting his brain, enough to let him do something. Individual deer results vary, but chest shoot them, and you'll get runners. Pretty sure guys here who have shot more game than both of us put together will agree.
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You could do that but the 130 gr 270 bullet would have a higher BC and that would be the same as the CM discussion.
Lmfao, know of a large bull elk taken at 560 with that 270 - 130 ttsx combo drt, about 2000 fps impact, bullet left the seen. Let’s see the 308 - 130 ttsx combo get past 400 and will talk lol. A local legend did that one.
I came up on a 350 class bull dusted by that 308 combo but it was under 400. It works no doubt. But a ton of shat works to 400.Joel...what’s the story on the Buffalo you tease.
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In case you missed it. No. Both have waaaaay too much at 50 yards. Dead is dead. Why play with either if 50 is your game? 30-30 or 6.5 Grendel be plenty lol. 30 grains of powder all you need to 400 with the right bullet in front of it. You’ll get there son, take in all the info and experience you can. This could take a minute, apparently 38 pages isn’t enough haha.
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https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...cs/4977783/all/Deceased_via_Scenar_bullet_pix
Follow the thread above and tell "senarshooter" the .308 won't work past 400 yards. Lots of great animals taken in that thread out past 400 yards with the same .308 combo. "senarshooter" was the reason i did a .308 up. impressive.
Follow the thread above and tell "senarshooter" the .308 won't work past 400 yards. Lots of great animals taken in that thread out past 400 yards with the same .308 combo. "senarshooter" was the reason i did a .308 up. impressive.
With 130 ttsx?
