308 vs6.5 creedmore
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That is a great price.
Rats, should have looked at this earlier...there is only one box left, and I am not sure I want to drive 2 hours to get it...lol...
Sorry man lol...given the current large rifle primer shortage that's probably my practice ammo for this year. Is there any other relatively cheap ammo or items to have it shipped with? SFRC has good prices during their sales too and cheap shipping. Easter coming up...
The last box of Federal 95 grain I bought was small rifle primer, which we could all really use right now
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Hope you find one! sounds like a dang great do just about anything rifle.
Good stuff - I am happy you were able to find a great deal. I had recently bought some 6.5cm Federal light 95gr varmint ammo at Tenda and caught literally the last day of the sale for 29.99 - now it's still on sale but at 32.99 - still looking for regular stuff...hopefully Epps will get more of that OTM...
It does seem like more than a few people are dumping their 308 ammo stash in favour of 6.5. I just bought some guy's remaining collection of Sako 308 cartridges on the cheap last week on another site. When I met the guy and asked why he is getting rid of it, he said he has made the switch to 6.5cm. That's not the first time I bought 308 rounds from someone who told me that.
Oh yeah? Huh!
Dunno what kind of Sako ammo it was other than "bonded" but got to see a 308 Sako bullet used on a control red deer hunt at work a few weeks back. Good stuff. Kinda funny, we used a Remington 700 heavy barreled rifle with a big ol Swaro Hubble scope bolted on it to shoot a farm escapee at like 40 yards...if that.
Dunno what kind of Sako ammo it was other than "bonded" but got to see a 308 Sako bullet used on a control red deer hunt at work a few weeks back. Good stuff. Kinda funny, we used a Remington 700 heavy barreled rifle with a big ol Swaro Hubble scope bolted on it to shoot a farm escapee at like 40 yards...if that.
Yeah the stuff I bought was Sako Hammerhead 180gr Bonded Soft Point. one set of boxes had blue accents, the other yellow...the rounds look like the same stuff.
bearkilr
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Unless you hit a bone with the Berger and get no penetration because it disintegrated. Common scenario when using frangible match bullets for hunting.
Common? Hit a fair bit of rib, and other bone with Berger, and others... they haven't not worked.
Has this happened to you, directly?
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Happened to me twice, both on deer. Hit the deer between the ribs at 100yds, pencilled thro and caught a rib on the way out, which made for the blood trail. Almost no lung damage at all, except for the tiny pencil holes. Went a full half mile before it expired, thankful for the snow. Second was in a zone where we had 3-for-1 mule doe tags. Came upon a large herd, there were 2 does perfectly lined up to do an engine room shot on both with one bullet. Approx 120 yds. Front one, hit no bones on either side cuz there was no blood trail at all, bc of the large herd couldn’t track it. Looked for a long time but found nothing. But I knew for sure that I hit it bc of the blood splatter on the inlet side of the 2nd doe. Which fell on the spot, bc it hit a rib on the way in. Huge hole on the way out. Lungs destroyed.
My conclusion: only use proper quality HUNTING bullets, yes, bullets specifically designed for hunting, not target bullets quickly adapted to be able to sell as hunting bullets. Yes I’m talking about Berger. Their hollow-point opening is far too small to open reliably, unless hitting bone on the way in. Our game deserves much better than that.
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I suspect it has, bearkilr runs a black bear hunting outfit that does them in a good amount of volume, with Americans who often ask about things like Bergers in my experience.
bearkilr
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I've seen it happen a few times. A rib bone isn't exactly a "tough" bone and a perfect boiler room shot doesn't always happen.
Berger started out making match bullets and then some guys started using them on game animals like deer and black bear, who aren't really considered tough. Kudos to them for essentially marketing the same bullets for hunting, now they're targeting sport shooters and hunters, win-win. I know a couple of African outfitters that won't allow Bergers for use, because the animals they hunt are actually tough. And I'm not talking elephant or lion, just regular plains game.
That said, your explanations aren't without value.There's actually been a perfect bullet around for quite some time that fragments and penetrates, the Nosler Partition.But the keyboard warriors have gotten too hung up on ballistic coefficient et al so that bullet apparently doesn't work anymore.
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Shots are usually 40-70 yards so ballistic coefficient doesn't play into the factor, but explosiveness does at near max MV. Out of the dozens of bears I've seen shot, I've never seen a bang-flop (I hate that phrase) on a broadside double lung, they all run regardless of caliber or bullet, most only make it 40 yds or so.
He's doing something very wrong and frankly not worth listening to.
To believe that every deer he hit was well hit means something is wrong with the cartridge itself. Because 6.5mm bullets have a very, very good track record over the last century plus of hunting. Whether that's a 6.5x54 MS, 6.5x55, 260 Rem, or whatever else. It propels the same bullet at roughly the same speed. What could the Creedmoor be doing wrong, compared to these very successful cartridges, launching the same bullets? lol
That ignores every smaller diameter bullet ever used on deer, like .257 cal, 243 cal etc.
If 2,000 foot pounds of energy is not humanely killing deer the problem rests not with the cartridge (provided its a good bullet). Moving up to 30-06 which is quite overpowered for deer (nothing wrong with that lol) is compensating for either terrible bullet choice or terrible marksmanship.
When hit with the 308 Win OR 6.5 Creedmoor (or 6.5x55) I've seen no different reaction on deer. I would absolutely not trade one for the other and imagine it gets different results.
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You friend , I fear, is not going to have any better luck with an '06 if he has deer running a miles when hit with a 6.5 whatever- he needs to learn where to shoot an animal properly.
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They work for sure, out to any distance someone has any business shooting a game animal. And have rightfully been the gold standard for quite a long time.
But are they noticably better killers than a bullet that doesn't blow 30-40% of itself off, like say a Trophy Bonded/other sort of bonded bullet that still opens rapidly?
Um, YUP!
I just remembered a time when a fella I knew from our club went from a 7 mag to a 300 for the same reason - " the 7 mag was wounding too many deer" was his reply when I asked why.!
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