308s worth buying?

I've killed over 300 big game animals with an average distance of 125 yards. Probably could of killed 95% of them with a 30-30. I think you'll be quite content with a 308 Winchester, extraordinary great cartridge. My very first rifle was a Browning BLR, chambered in the 308 Win. and killed my very first deer with it.
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100% Marksmanship beats paper stats in the real world.

A 7mm RUM has more capability than a .308, but I can shoot .308 accurately from field expedient positions more reliably than I can 7mm RUM.

I think firearms forums tend to get excessively caught-up in paper stats, and forget that sitting at a bench on the range is not like shooting from the standing position in the real world. Even prone with a sandbag/backpack is vastly different from a bench.
I have an Eberlestock packback with a scabbard that I use instead of a bipod for practice and hunting. I practice getting the pack off my back and into a good prone or seated position, using the pack's structure for shooting support. Not just one time. Over and over again. Sometimes with a shot timer.

Shooting from a bench/sled to sight in your rifle isn't the same as practicing getting into a "field position."

I know a few hunters who are fine when shooting from a bench, but when it comes to shooting from a practical/field position, they just haven't practiced. At all.

To be an ethical hunter, you should understand your capabilities. And to be ethical, don't exceed them when attempting to harvest an animal.

20 rounds a year - the maximum number some of my hunting buddies use to verify their zero and put a few extra rounds into targets to "confirm" is not "practice".

As I posed here before, I helped a buddy of mine who was going on an African safari. He's not a hunter by any real definition of the word, but was going with a bunch of guys who were.

The hunts in Africa are mostly (entirely?) guided. And before they let you hunt, you have to pass a proficiency test. Engage a static target from 100m and have to place the rounds within a specified measurement - I think less than 4" to qualify.

Anyway, I had my buddy engage AR500 targets at ranges from 50-200m. Standing, kneeling, sitting and prone. The exercise was to drop from both "high ready" and "low ready" into whatever position was required for the distance. (Note: my buddy is in his late 50's and in pretty good shape, but years of backcountry skiing have taken their toll on his knees, so he didn't enjoy dropping into the kneeling, sitting, and prone positions... I told him to stop being a little bi+(h... that shut him up... a bit). When he had to undertake the African "hunt test", he put 2 rounds into the target in a 2" group. The guides conducting the test said, "You're good - no more shooting required." His compatriots on the trip weren't as successful. He loved the fact that a "non-hunter" was able to complete the qualification/verification in far fewer rounds than the "experienced" hunters he travelled with. 100 rounds of practice was sufficient for a non-hunter (and a bit of instruction) to establish the basic skill set to pass the African hunt test. And none of that was from a bench or sled. The rifle in question was already zeroed at 200m.

Hunting isn't marksmanship, and marksmanship isn't hunting. I'm not much of a hunter, but I'd say I'm a fair marksman (I won the "Silver Eagle" at my Gunsite 270 Scout Rifle course in 2010, so I have some proper "credentials" to support that claim.) Understanding your ability to hit a target at any distance is critical to success.

Additional support for that position: Dalrymple Maitland Bell—better known as ‘Karamoja ’-killed something like a thousand elephants in the early 20th century using a 7x57mm Mauser cartridge. Inferior to the .308 in most respects, but he had a great understanding of elephant anatomy and shot most of them in the head/brain. He got results with a "small" calibre rifle because he was good at shot placement. Most of his contemporaries were using something like a .416 Rigby.

IMHO, skills are more important than equipment.
 
Are 308 rifles really as good as I glorify them out to be in my head? Folks try and say you need magnum caliber rifles to hunt big game but I honestly believe that a good ol 308 can take down any animal in north America efficiently. Am I mistaken? Should I be leaning towards the 7mm rem mag or a 30-06?
.308 is the cartridge and it is a good cartridge capable of most game animals. There are better choices for dangerous game.

The rifle on the other hand may be a piece of crap or a really nice rifle or anywhere in between.
 
Are 308 rifles really as good as I glorify them out to be in my head? Folks try and say you need magnum caliber rifles to hunt big game but I honestly believe that a good ol 308 can take down any animal in north America efficiently. Am I mistaken? Should I be leaning towards the 7mm rem mag or a 30-06?
The magnum craze started to die off about 20years ago when the boomers saw the light. The magnum craze blipped again with the short mags but that fizzled too.

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With all the bullet’s development we saw in the last few years, 308 is way enough for the needs of most people. We usually see most people loosing accuracy with larger caliber, with them having trouble keeping good shooting fundamentals with heavier recoil.

Caliber is usually not the main problem, with people shooting and hunting with non optimal bullets for their needs.

If you are planning on shooting a moose at 500, then yes there is better options than a 308.
But if you are shooting that same moose at 500 with a magnum rifle and an OTM bullet because it’s accurate, or a cheap soft point inaccurate hunting round… you should have stayed with a 308 and an accubonded round, and not take the shot if you are uncertain of the kill probability…

308 is not the best in everything… but it’s way enough for most
 
I've killed over 300 big game animals with an average distance of 125 yards. Probably could of killed 95% of them with a 30-30. I think you'll be quite content with a 308 Winchester, extraordinary great cartridge. My very first rifle was a Browning BLR, chambered in the 308 Win. and killed my very first deer with it.
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The .308 - essentially a shorter-action .30-06 - is one of the most versatile rounds every invented. Hard to go wrong with it on this continent. More thought perhaps should go into rifle selection - and skill/knowledge development, especially that. We all tend to split a lot of hairs over this stuff, cos what else are you going to deliberate over? Tens of millions of bison were wiped-out on this continent so we could fill their former haunts with dumb European cattle and worse - plant canola - with single shot rifles whose huge cast bullets traveled only 12-1400 feet per second yet could kill a beast pushing a ton in weight at prodigious distances regardless. The .308 being a vast improvement here, with negligible recoil. I DO think it's important to keep in mind the old adage, "it's much easier to be undergunned than overgunned." Typically on this continent a .308 will not leave you undergunned. I would never recommend one as a backup rifle against great bears, though. Pretty much anything else. Hone your craft, pack a .308 - sorted! If there were no other cartridges on earth than the .22lr, the .308 (or .30-06), and the .375 H&H, no one would have been truly inconvenienced and history of shooting sports would have changed little from the reality.
 
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The magnum craze started to die off about 20years ago when the boomers saw the light. The magnum craze blipped again with the short mags but that fizzled too.

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There is a bit of a return with all the PRC, backcountry and nosler chambering, no belts but still magnums. That said I have no interest in the stuff. I have two magnum rifles now one given to me, a 300 win mag that I loaded with 220gn nosler partitions not 150gn cup and core or match bullets hahaha
I also have a 458win mag… I don’t know why but damn I like that gun… never felt I needed more than my 30-06 or 9.3x62 amd still don’t feel I need more. For moose this year I will be carrying an old 30-06( story of an Husqvarna) loaded with 190gn Speer impact topped with a 1.5 to 4 old German claw mounted scope!
 
Some might say a .308 is boring but I like it. If I’m walking/ dogging in the deer woods I carry a savage hog hunter in .308. I like the iron sights.
 
Haha. The short mag craze started 25 years ago.

Time flies fast. And I love the WSM cartridges.

REM 350 mag came out in the mid 60’s
Savage 99c
Rotary mag detachable
Striker fired
Enclosed hammer - no dirt
Lever cams the rear of the bolt up against a large breechblock for serious strength/ repeatability.
Ignore the pretty/flashy , try one /carry one once .😉
 
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