357 magnum for deer

I'll be taking mine this year as a backup rifle, who knows maybe it'll get called into action. I know some will say that the red-dot has no business being on this rifle, but I like it. It makes for very fast target acquisition.
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If it helps one hit what they're aiming at ........all the more power to you......dead is dead......Harold
 
I sort of get someone not digging a Huge telescope on a Lever Action, but anyone that thinks a red dot is out of place on a pistol caliber carbine has likely never used a red dot.
 
cyclops666 said:
I'll be taking mine this year as a backup rifle, who knows maybe it'll get called into action. I know some will say that the red-dot has no business being on this rifle, but I like it. It makes for very fast target acquisition.
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I think that's a great idea, and looks good, one of those instances, "why didn't I think of that". I'm gonna get one for my Marlin.
 
Can-down said:
I sort of get someone not digging a Huge telescope on a Lever Action, but anyone that thinks a red dot is out of place on a pistol caliber carbine has likely never used a red dot.
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I am familiar with the advantages and the compactness of this sight, but that is not the point for me.
On a lever action carbine, anything more than a rear peep sight and an ivory bead, brass bead, or simple blade front sight offends my traditional purist sensibilities.
A scope or reflex or any other non-traditional sight on a traditional lever action carbine is just tacky IMHO.
But, to each his own.
If I were going to abandon traditional iron sights on a hunting carbine, then I would also probably abandon the lever action as well, and use an autoloader.
 
Can-down said:
I sort of get someone not digging a Huge telescope on a Lever Action, but anyone that thinks a red dot is out of place on a pistol caliber carbine has likely never used a red dot.
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Looks like a satellite dish on a steam locomotive, but I have no doubt about how effective it would be.
 
You would be fine taking a deer at that range with a 357.

Just make sure you get the correct ammo. Much of the ammo you will find at the gun store will be designed for pistol impact velocities which means if you hit a deer too close you won't get much penetration as they open up too much. An example of this is the hornady xtp as it comes in HP and FP, the FP is designed for higher impact velocities from the carbines.

Just go to the marlin forum for people who have hunted deer with 357 carbines and pistols if you want real world experience.

A good load to use is The american eagle JSP, holds up well to carbine muzzle velocities, out of a 1894c this things will have around 1800fps.
https://www.reliablegun.com/en/fede...g-158gr-jacketed-soft-point-50rds-box-1240fps

Have look at this you tube for a guy who did some velocity and penetration tests with this bullet, with a 1894C.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annot...&feature=iv&src_vid=JZ-Tfq_bRSU&v=0dMXKHUxjgQ

Just out of comparison many people who chrono 30-30 150gr factory loads find that MV are around get 2050-2100fps out of 20” barrel, think you would be fine with the 357 158gr at about 1800fps.
 
dogzilla said:
Deer aren't too difficult to kill, but I am highly skeptical that you would ever get a bang flop at 100 yds with a .357 barring a head shot. More likely you would either spend a long time tracking it or you have a wounded animal running around. I hunted most of my life and grew up on the farm and I've never understood the mentality of taking the absolute lightest caliber you can get away with. When you go light, even good shot placement doesn't necessarily translate into a clean kill, or a kill at all for that matter. That's just my 2 cents, but I'm from a different generation
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Amen .. I never understood either WHY people want too use the lightest possible caliber .. There is only one degree of dead .. use something that you know will get the job done if you happen too NOT make that perfect shot
 
dthunter said:
I have shot 4 or 5 deer with the 357 mag in a Timberwolf pump. I used 158 grain XTP's and had them loaded near max (where it shot the best). Every one of them was a 1 shot kill. Out to around 100 yards. A couple of them were huge muley does! They went down within 3-4 leaps. The bullet did a great job in expanding and did allot of damage to the vitals.

I wouldnt "normally" Use it much past 100 yards, because the velocity will start to drop down below the optimum velocity band for pistol bullet performance.

I have even shot a few bears with 180 grain flat points years ago. Distances were around 25-30 yards. They worked well enough to give me confidence in them. The bears would only run 40-50 yards before going down for good.

Shot placement is obviously the absolute key, but have confidence in it and have fun!
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For the most part bears are no harder too kill than deer and any deer cartridge will do the job .. On a hunting trip in Northern Ontario a fellow hunter shot a back bear at about 40 yards with a 30-06 though the front shoulders .. he waited about five minutes and went over the ridge too get his bear .. it was standing on it;s back legs with the front paws against a tree again about 30-40 yards away / He shot it again with the 30-06 and it rolled over and came at him ,, the third 30-06 stopped it and he could touch the bear with the barrel .. I gutted that bear and he had two shots through the front shoulders .. One each way and a third bullet hole was in the chest .. I believe the out come may have been different had he had a 357 magnum .. Or if yuo ask HIM if a 357 mag was enough for bear .. The biggest bear I have shot weighed 652 pounds .. I did not have a 357 though
 
mike Crawford said:
For the most part bears are no harder too kill than deer and any deer cartridge will do the job .. On a hunting trip in Northern Ontario a fellow hunter shot a back bear at about 40 yards with a 30-06 though the front shoulders .. he waited about five minutes and went over the ridge too get his bear .. it was standing on it;s back legs with the front paws against a tree again about 30-40 yards away / He shot it again with the 30-06 and it rolled over and came at him ,, the third 30-06 stopped it and he could touch the bear with the barrel .. I gutted that bear and he had two shots through the front shoulders .. One each way and a third bullet hole was in the chest .. I believe the out come may have been different had he had a 357 magnum .. Or if yuo ask HIM if a 357 mag was enough for bear .. The biggest bear I have shot weighed 652 pounds .. I did not have a 357 though
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Did he hit the shoulder bone Mike?
 
I would say both bullets were where that white line is on the picture just above this post .. Another bear that i helped gut was also shot with a 30-06 and it was a very big bear .. 500 hundred no guts .. it was shot though the front shoulder also and it ran away like it was not even hit .. went about 50 yards and layed down .. the shooter could hear it moaning for a long time before he went into it .. it died but too think a bear can take a 30-06 at 50 yards though the front shoulder and not even flinch or fall down some amazing .. I bear hunt for the most part and do very little deer so i have seen a lot of bears and seen a lot of bears after some else shot them too .. and the stories that go with them .. a 357 for deer maybe .. I would never tell some one it is good too use a 357 for bear .. a small bear would most likely die no problem .. a big bear would be a different story .. I know guys that have gave up on the 44 mag rugers after they have one bad encounter with a big bear .
 
This year I will use a 44 magnum for deer hunting, I would not be worried using a 357mag, I've seen many people going deer hunting with a 7,62x39 SKS (including me)..., with no trouble putting one down....so a .357 mag....No problems .
 
mike Crawford said:
For the most part bears are no harder too kill than deer and any deer cartridge will do the job .. On a hunting trip in Northern Ontario a fellow hunter shot a back bear at about 40 yards with a 30-06 though the front shoulders .. he waited about five minutes and went over the ridge too get his bear .. it was standing on it;s back legs with the front paws against a tree again about 30-40 yards away / He shot it again with the 30-06 and it rolled over and came at him ,, the third 30-06 stopped it and he could touch the bear with the barrel .. I gutted that bear and he had two shots through the front shoulders .. One each way and a third bullet hole was in the chest .. I believe the out come may have been different had he had a 357 magnum .. Or if yuo ask HIM if a 357 mag was enough for bear .. The biggest bear I have shot weighed 652 pounds .. I did not have a 357 though
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I doubt anything would be using it's "arms", nevertheless charge, after being shot through the shoulders with a 30-06.
perhaps he just missed the shoulders, and, at 40yds the 30-06 bullet didn't expand. The 357mag would have.
 
legi0n said:
I doubt anything would be using it's "arms", nevertheless charge, after being shot through the shoulders with a 30-06.
perhaps he just missed the shoulders, and, at 40yds the 30-06 bullet didn't expand. The 357mag would have.
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There was no large exit holes so very well may have not hit anything too make it expand .. both bullets were though the bear .. one each way ..
 
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