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I give it a go Gate... :)

OP have you thought about the 375RUM?

I load my 21" barreled Rem 700 LSS with 260gr Accubonds @ 3020fps, 300gr @ 2800fps and 350gr @ 2450fps these are all standard pressure loads not the high pressures that you would need to push to even dream of coming close to its performance from a H&H/Ruger.

Issue is most can't handle the recoil levels generated by the 375RUM these are usually the same people that spew against it and promote the lesser mid velocity cartridges.
 
Here is a list of options, compiled by the Legendary Tod Bartell. He's sold truckloads of 375 Ruger products in the last few years from his stores.

375 Ruger - Mossberg Patriot synthetic $530 (22" brl), Mossberg Patriot Laminate SS $730 (22" brl), Mossberg Patriot SS $590 (22" brl), Mossberg Patriot walnut $650 (22" brl), Howa Stainless $760 (20" brl) , Ruger m77 Guide $1550 (20" brl) , Ruger m77 African $1550 (23" brl), Nosler 48 Outfitter $2370 (22" brl) , Savage 116 Alaskan $950 (20" brl), Savage 116 Bear Hunter $1330 (23" brl) . Avg price $1101, avg barrel length - 21.6"

375 H&H - Browning Xbolt Medallion $1350 (24" brl), Browning Xbolt Stainless $1475 (24" brl), CZ 550 Synthetic $2200 (25" brl), CZ 550 Safari $1520 (25" brl), Fierce Edge $3240 (24" brl), Kimber Talkeetna $2720 (24" brl), Kimber Caprivi $4080 (24" brl), Remington 700 XCR II $1270 (24" brl), Sako 85 Classic $2560 (24.8" brl), Sako 85 Brown Bear $2200 (21.6" brl), Sako 85 Kodiak $2150 (21.6" brl), Sako 85 Stainless $2000 (24.8" brl), Winchester 70 Safari $1875 (24" brl) - Average price $2203, avg barrel length - 23.9"

American suggested retail prices on the manufactures price x 1.25 for exchange rate to Cdn dollars ******
 
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Johnn Peterson said:
Hmmmmm, NAAAAAAAAAA!! With a name addition like that, to my way of thinking, you run the risk of:puke: contamination from the 375 "New Bling". As the .366 Wagner, it stands alone and recognizes Teds contributions to rejuvenating and the use of this fine old calibre.
A timely post. A while, back when the posibility of unofficially renaming the 9.3x62 the .366 Wagner, I said I'd inquire into the possibility of getting some labels made up along that line. Self adhesive abels that could be attached to the plastic cartridge boxes we use for reloads. :)The printer just finished delivering them as we speak.





These were the two possibilities that were submitted and as there were no replys to my question of suggested changes, these are what I went with.
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John,
i like both of them.

Phil
 
medvedqc said:
John,
i like both of them.

Phil
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As I made mention of earlier, the order was delivered today, eighteen of each. :)I've used two of each that I've attached to two boxes of reloads, one of each/box and a lady from Whitehorse has requested that I set aside three of each for her.
I'm thinking I'll set aside a couple of each and send to the CEO of The Why Not Cartridge Co.
 
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Really like my 375 RUM its has a 29" barrel so its set up more for open range elk then a close range gun. If I hadn't built it would have likely went with a 375h&h grew up shooting my dads. I've seen a lot of the 375 ruger wood stocks come into the gun shop with cracked or busted stocks. Mostly due to guys loading up a lead sled to bench shoot it. My own opinion if you need a lead sled to shoot a rifle either get a muzzle break or don't own it if you cant take the recoil.
 
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Gatehouse said:
Here is a list of options, compiled by the Legendary Tod Bartell. He's sold truckloads of 375 Ruger products in the last few years from his stores.

375 Ruger - Mossberg Patriot synthetic $530 (22" brl), Mossberg Patriot Laminate SS $730 (22" brl), Mossberg Patriot SS $590 (22" brl), Mossberg Patriot walnut $650 (22" brl), Howa Stainless $760 (20" brl) , Ruger m77 Guide $1550 (20" brl) , Ruger m77 African $1550 (23" brl), Nosler 48 Outfitter $2370 (22" brl) , Savage 116 Alaskan $950 (20" brl), Savage 116 Bear Hunter $1330 (23" brl) . Avg price $1101, avg barrel length - 21.6"

375 H&H - Browning Xbolt Medallion $1350 (24" brl), Browning Xbolt Stainless $1475 (24" brl), CZ 550 Synthetic $2200 (25" brl), CZ 550 Safari $1520 (25" brl), Fierce Edge $3240 (24" brl), Kimber Talkeetna $2720 (24" brl), Kimber Caprivi $4080 (24" brl), Remington 700 XCR II $1270 (24" brl), Sako 85 Classic $2560 (24.8" brl), Sako 85 Brown Bear $2200 (21.6" brl), Sako 85 Kodiak $2150 (21.6" brl), Sako 85 Stainless $2000 (24.8" brl), Winchester 70 Safari $1875 (24" brl) - Average price $2203, avg barrel length - 23.9"

American suggested retail prices on the manufactures price x 1.25 for exchange rate to Cdn dollars ******
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you forgot the M70 Alaskan at $1339
 
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So, your dads stores sells guns?
How very interesting... how does that help the Op in his decisions on what .375 to get?
The Original .375 H&H there is no substitute .
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
All joking aside, I don't really see the significance of those compiled lists. I will say that the .375Ruger list contains a lot of guns that I would never wish to own, or to recommend to someone else. Inexpensive is good...but cheap is bad.

So, in case it isn't obvious, I will cast my vote for the H&H. Now that Weatherby is introducing the Vanguard in that chambering, it will be possible to own this wonderful cartridge in a relatively inexpensive rifle that is still of excellent quality. Thus, the single selling point of the Ruger cartridge...the undeniable fact that it can be fitted into a shorter and less expensive gun...goes away. You can now own an H&H-chambered rifle at virtually any price point that suits you, without sacrificing quality. The perfect answer to the OP's original question.

Best of all, this relieves us from the horror of reading a report on "The Mossberg Patriot on Safari".
 
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jjohnwm said:
All joking aside, I don't really see the significance of those compiled lists. I will say that the .375Ruger list contains a lot of guns that I would never wish to own, or to recommend to someone else. Inexpensive is good...but cheap is bad.

So, in case it isn't obvious, I will cast my vote for the H&H. Now that Weatherby is introducing the Vanguard in that chambering, it will be possible to own this wonderful cartridge in a relatively inexpensive rifle that is still of excellent quality. Thus, the single selling point of the Ruger cartridge...the undeniable fact that it can be fitted into a shorter and less inexpensive gun...goes away. You can now own an H&H-chambered rifle at virtually any price point that suits you, without sacrificing quality. The perfect answer to the OP's original question.

Best of all, this relieves us from the horror of reading a report on "The Mossberg Patriot on Safari".
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The 375 H&H has always been available in affordable rifles, the early M70 Winchesters.
I have had a few Remington 700s in 375 H&H... they were affordable, the Browning Safari which was a commercial Mauser action.
As far as the H&H being unaffordable, that is a silly statement.
 
Kevan said:
The 375 H&H has always been available in affordable rifles, the early M70 Winchesters.
I have had a few Remington 700s in 375 H&H... they were affordable, the Browning Safari which was a commercial Mauser action.
As far as the H&H being unaffordable, that is a silly statement.
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for the rh shooters maybe but for a lh one that is far from true. double price for a cz550. while any can find today a 375 ruger for 800-900.

now with the zastava back on the western countries that is a different story.


i have no dog in the fight as a liked them both but ruger offered a left handed action with very good open sights stainless and laminated stock. not for everybody.

with howa vanguard coming on left hand action and in 375 hh or ruger the choice is up to the final user.

so little time so many guns.
 
medvedqc said:
for the rh shooters maybe but for a lh one that is far from true. double price for a cz550. while any can find today a 375 ruger for 800-900.

now with the zastava back on the western countries that is a different story.


i have no dog in the fight as a liked them both but ruger offered a left handed action with very good open sights stainless and laminated stock. not for everybody.

with howa vanguard coming on left hand action and in 375 hh or ruger the choice is up to the final user.

so little time so many guns.
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Don't mean to side track the thread but in a somewhat related point, when I decided to go for something in .366 Wagner, I went the inexpensive route and got a Zastava in a full wood configuration.



Admittedly, the action isn't the smoothest and the wood is somewhat 'plain jane' but the wood to metal fit seems to be pretty decent. With the first trip to the range, and with my first batch of handloads, I was pleasantly suprised and impressed.



So much so, that I opted for a 'partner' for it, but in 7x57mm,:redface: which has yet to get to the range.;) But soon:).

 
These threads on the mid velocity 375 cal cartridges are making me rethink my 375 cal rifle collection basically its time to sell off my stainless 22" barreled T/C Prohunter in 375H&H.

I have 14" and 21" T/C Contender carbine barrels in 375JDJ, a shortened to 22" from 28" barreled stainless T/C Prohunter in 375H&H and a shortened to 21" Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM.

Even though it looks cool and balances perfectly with its Boyds pepper laminate/Kick-Eez recoil pad stocks I find I rarely if ever take my 375H&H Prohunter out of the safe cause it only has marginally more thump than my 375JDJ's and much less than my 375RUM plus I could just load down my RUM if I wanted mid-velocity performance which as of now I really don't want or need to do.
 
Well, well well. I must say it has been an interesting read...all 14 pages of it! To those that have tried to help I very much appreciate your opinions. I will re-read all this and do some investigation. Here in the Lower Mainland, ammo is not in terribly short supply but as we all know it can be hellishly expensive. Getting back to my original post, I am concerned about ammo availability in Namibia or South Africa. I sure don't want to put myself at the mercy of an ammo supply situation in Africa, though, realistically, how many rounds does one actually take on a deer safari? 20? 30?
I feel my instincts leaning back towards the .375 H&H in Sako rifle on the basis of versatility and availability...and given that it can be reloaded, makes it even more attractive.
Does anyone know of the ammo supply situation in the safari industry in Africa?
Thanks again to all.
Roger
 
Africa is a continent with different situations.

i lived in CAR and there is no way you find ammo in shop and of course you can buy out of market 7.62x39 or x51 but fmj.

Zimbabwe and Botswana they were some but a long time ago, last visitors or outffiters may tell you more, btw Bostwana is closed for free range hunting.

i have seen a lot of gun shops in SA and Namibia but always checks with your outfitter what is available locally.

Zambia was more friendly.

for RSA i think someone locally can get only what is on his own license so yours will be helpful.

again my visits on the dark continent ended in the 90s ...

Phil

i will say 375hh if you are on the african mood ...
 
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Thanks Medvedqc, this is very interesting. My guess is outfitters and safari operators likely take care of ammo supply issues. This little safari dream is realistically a few years away but I like to take time and research.

medvedqc said:
Africa is a continent with different situations.

i lived in CAR and there is no way you find ammo in shop and of course you can buy out of market 7.62x39 or x51 but fmj.

Zimbabwe and Botswana they were some but a long time ago, last visitors or outffiters may tell you more, btw Bostwana is closed for free range hunting.

i have seen a lot of gun shops in SA and Namibia but always checks with your outfitter what is available locally.

Zambia was more friendly.

for RSA i think someone locally can get only what is on his own license so yours will be helpful.

again my visits on the dark continent ended in the 90s ...

Phil

i will say 375hh if you are on the african mood ...
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375 H&H will be in every shop in SA and Namibia and usually in several makes and bullet weights. It is an African staple, and virtually every safari operator has it's own inventory of 375 H&H and 458 WM and many have 458 Lott as well or knows someone who does have it. They even had a supply of 375 H&H and 416 Rem in the Congo camp where I hunted Bongo.
 
BigUglyMan said:
How does the increased bullet weight in the 375 change the recoil? Given that they are usually a pound lighter than a 416 you would think they might be a little more obstinate that the 416/400 combo. Kevin Robertson is a big proponent of those heavy 375 bullets so there must be some advantage.

Either way, they're obviously pretty good bullets.
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I couldn't tell much difference in recoil between the Ultra loaded with 300s or 380s. My limit with either is about 5 rounds from prone, whereas when shooting the Rigby with 350s at 2850 prone, I lost concentration after 3.
 
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