Well I dare say quickload has a flaw because it is my understanding that a brass case cannot accept those pressures and be reused..............and my R-P brass is just fine and I believe my 2 Oehlers are also just fine. And this isn't even using W-W brass which I could probably add another 50-75 fps with.
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Well I dare say quickload has a flaw because it is my understanding that a brass case cannot accept those pressures and be reused..............and my R-P brass is just fine and I believe my 2 Oehlers are also just fine. And this isn't even using W-W brass which I could probably add another 50-75 fps with.
My .375 Cheytac doesn't even mark my AR-500 plates.
Possibly has a flaw. Maybe it's not taking into account different brass capacities. How many grains of RL15 are you using?
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Quickload seems to work pretty well with standard reference points, (like 130s in a .270 or 180s in a .30/06 when loaded ahead of H-4831 ) but once you get outside standard bullet weights, cartridges with medium capacity, or usual powder burn rates, the results are little more than a guess, which sometimes leads to poor decision making. I won't use it anymore as a primary tool.
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Was reading some stuff a while back where brass had been subjected to 75,000psi (strain gauge tested), was not deformed at all and was reloaded multiple times. Brass composition and thickness count a lot. I have a 300wby that took some hot loads, the brass was fine but the steel chamber distorted and became oblong.
Brass can be a lot tougher than many think. Using it for indication of pressure is unreliable.
Gatehouse, you know I don't post my powder charges on open forums. Someone without the necessary experience, may take them as gospel and try them without the necessary development. Like I have said many times all my loads are responsibly worked up in my rifles and are safe in my rifles, with THEIR chamber, bore and throat dimensions...........but they are max with very little room for error.......... not for the inexperienced.
I wanted to compare what QL estimates your powder charge to be vs actual charge. QL predicts 76gr. Unaccounted for Variables include COAL, capacity of brass in relation to seating depth and other firearm specific variables.
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Balance only matters if the cartridge is chosen for a specific niche. If the cartridge will only shoot bullets lighter than 270 grs, the .375 Ruger has much to offer. If one is more interested in shooting all bullet weights including those over 300 grs, the long, big case cartridges have no peer. If the question is one of versatility and general usefulness, the cartridge which produces the highest velocity wins, as that cartridge will do anything the lesser cartridges will, do it at lower pressure, and do some things the lesser cartridges won't. The question then becomes one of which platform is the most suitable. If we compare my earlier Brno 602 with the 20" barrel, we find it was similar in weight and dimensions to the Ruger Alaskan, yet it could have been chambered for the .378 Weatherby, as easily as for the .375 Ultra, and would have been if I could have found affordable brass. The magazine capacity would not have been impacted by the choice of the .378 cartridge, and I probably would have seen a benefit of 50 fps with most bullet weights. The flipside of the argument though is one of affordability, as one could purchase a number of Ruger Alaskans for the price of a single custom rifle.
How many does the 602 hold down with the .375 Ultra? I just got my CZ 550 back yesterday, now housing the .375 Weatherby. It still swallows 5 down effortlessly and feeds as slick as it ever did. I had left a box of ammo for function testing, and he was laughing when I showed up. Seems he got a kick out of feeding shells into it, and feeling like it would never quit taking ammo. Lit up the whole shop on the test fire too.
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The 602 holds 4 down with ease, but #5 is too tight to chamber easily. I expect 4 .378s or 4 .416 Rigbys would be a perfect fit. The only magazine capacity that I fret about is my .458's, a 3 shooter seems a bit lacking, although I do know how to fix that . . . but there's another custom rig in the works at the moment.
Balance is usually in the middle, and in this case I am talking about the balance of performance and user user friendliness. You can drive a race car at normal highway speeds, but you are going to pay more and probably be less comfortable, have more maintenance and use more gas .
For the 375s most are interested in shooting 250-300 gr bullets which the Ruger does great. It's no slouch with the 350 Woodleigh either, delivering at least 375 H&H velocities with it. The bigger cases certainly will handle the 380gr bullets you like, although most still stick with the 250-300 bullets, opting for a 416 if they want more bullet. Of course you can throttle down the 378 to H &H or Ruger speeds but you will still pay more for brass, powder and ammo.
A 378 also comes with the limiting factor of only buying a Weatherby or custom style rifle, of specific action size, whereas the Ruger is chambered by several makers and can use most standard size actions.
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Balance is usually in the middle, and in this case I am talking about the balance of performance and user user friendliness. You can drive a race car at normal highway speeds, but you are going to pay more and probably be less comfortable, have more maintenance and use more gas .
Of course you can throttle down the 378 to H &H or Ruger speeds but you will still pay more for brass, powder and ammo.
A 378 also comes with the limiting factor of only buying a Weatherby or custom style rifle, of specific action size, whereas the Ruger is chambered by several makers and can use most standard size actions.
Don't get me wrong, I've shot and loaded for the .375 Ruger enough to know that I like it, and I like the Alaskan model rifle, if not so much this newer rifle Ruger has thrust upon us, although a well executed fiberglass stock would solve many ills. When bullet weight is kept to 300 grs and lower, I doubt very much if a critter could tell the difference between a TSX fired from the Ruger or from the Ultra; both perform admirably, sort of a .308 - .30/06 situation where the longer cartridge doesn't produce much of an advantage until heavy for caliber bullets come into play. Going back through my records, I find that the best 380 gr velocity I got out of the .375 Ruger's 20" barrel was 2180, whereas Rhino claimed 2220 from a long barreled .375 H&H so they are in the same ball park, and with a little more load development they'd probably even out. I made 2350 with my 20" Ultra, so I'm anxious to see what the longer 22" barrel will give me. If that load gives me an honest 2400, that would make me a happy man, and would provide a trajectory I could live with. The velocities I've clocked from my 9.3X62 loaded with Norma 325s have me wanting to explore the use of heavy bullets in small cases, and soon I'll have a .375 Schoville to play with.
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Details on the Schoville?
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Same here.
Because they probably got those sh*tty Hogue stocks for a song and made a better profit in the process. I would rather they had just sold a barreled action instead of forcing people to by rubbish.
The Hogue is not a high-end stock that you would mount on a precision rifle, agreed. It is one of the most comfortable, well-fitting stocks I've ever used, and it comes with an excellent recoil pad. I have one with the full-length bedding block option on one of my guns and I love it.
And don't forget, we're not talking precision long-range shooting here...on a 50-yard gun like a .375 Ruger, the cheaper-model Hogue is perfect.
And don't forget, we're not talking precision long-range shooting here...on a 50-yard gun like a .375 Ruger, the cheaper-model Hogue is perfect.
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