375 Ruger

Gatehouse said:
I've never heard of the "failing" 375 Ruger either.

I've heard of the "375 Ruger, NEW KING of the .375 caliber cartridges" though.


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375 Ruger keeps getting more popular, and for good reason.
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It would ring in my ears as well if I repeated it several times a week if not daily sometimes...... heck, do you even own one? You speak of rifles and filing down meplats...... where are the pics?..... and pics of the results?.... have seen you post vids and pics elsewhere, so why not here?.... heck, you are pretty proud of your tavor, which shoots a tapered cartridge...

Also, would like you to tell us all what degree of taper is obsolete.... since .223, .308 are tapered..... and if you want to use the belted argument, please tell me how obsolete the 300wm is as well as 7mm rem mag..... both tapered and belted....

Again, any stats to show it is getting more popular?..... nothing but dancing phalic symbols...

What a cluster over 40 fps..... congrats.....
 
Purple shoulder said:
Most people have never heard of the failing 375 Ruger because it's not popular. No one has ever heard of it being the king. The failing 375 Ruger that is.
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Most hunters don't know what a 7-08 or a 9.3x62 or a whole pile of other cartridges are either. They buy their "bullets" at Canadian Tire and aren't aware that there are any other cartridges other than what is in the CT glass case! :)

However, there is no doubt that the 375 Ruger is increasing in popularity, and it's easy to see- More companies are building the rifles and making ammo now than ever before. :)


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Superbrad said:
It would ring in my ears as well if I repeated it several times a week if not daily sometimes...... heck, do you even own one? You speak of rifles and filing down meplats...... where are the pics?..... and pics of the results?.... have seen you post vids and pics elsewhere, so why not here?.... heck, you are pretty proud of your tavor, which shoots a tapered cartridge...

Also, would like you to tell us all what degree of taper is obsolete.... since .223, .308 are tapered..... and if you want to use the belted argument, please tell me how obsolete the 300wm is as well as 7mm rem mag..... both tapered and belted....

Again, any stats to show it is getting more popular?..... nothing but dancing phalic symbols...

What a cluster over 40 fps..... congrats.....
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Brad...Gatehouse appears to have your goat. You should either ask for it back, or find out if he even wants it.
Just sayin'

R.
 
Rman said:
Brad...Gatehouse appears to have your goat. You should either ask for it back, or find out if he even wants it.
Just sayin'

R.
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Not at all..... learning and debating cartridge / rifle selection is a big part of why I enjoy the forum..... I am truly curious as to why someone as experienced as Clarke would wish to declare a time honoured cartridge obsolete... yet shoot others that don't meet his criteria of "modern design"..... as I mentioned earlier, the 375 ruger is a fine cartridge..... I just don't feel it "obsoletes" anything....

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.........yet you keep...clicking...on the thread...and posting....must have a ....nana...fetish....


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Nope.... but funny how many lefty banana lovers there are in this thread.....
 
Rman said:
Fair enough. I would say that it is obsolete from a design perspective, but certainly still in use. Just like the junky 30-06...

R.
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Speaking solely to case taper, maybe that has something to do with the fact that non tapered cases don't lend themselves to actions outside of bolts.....

The exception being pistol cartridges, which are shorter and offer less surface resistance to extraction than their longer counterparts....

Would really be a great thread for discussion if there wasn't so many fanboys and dancing bananas IMOP..... and that is why I continue to participate.....
 
Case taper had more to do with extraction than anything else, once upon a time.
Lots of close to zero taper cases still in use today that are far older than the H&H, in use of all manner of actions.
So called modern case design, which really isn't modern at all, is more given to capacity and accuracy over anything else, as any extraction issues have long since been solved.
Ruger simply got it right, with respects to length and capacity.
Now, if we can just get more manufacturers making brass, and then get Ruger to start necking the suck out of it, then we'd all have something to talk about.
The suck being that 7mm's, 308's and 338's are far more practical and popular than 375's.

R.
 
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Virtually all bottleneck cases have some degree of taper. Not all taper is created equally though!


This sort of taper is an obsolete case design:

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Some cartridges need belts

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Most belted cartridges don't need the belts

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Not all old cartridges are super tapered and not all have belts

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If we look at cartridges introduced in recent times, they mostly look like this


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If you really look at cartridge design, you could almost say that the 375 Ruger is 97 years late to the picture of modern cartridges. The 9.3x64 designed in 1910 but officially released in 1927 is a non belted wide body magnum type of cartridge. Performance @ 285GR =2690-2700 fps. Sounds almost like a copy.....magnum performance in a standard action and non-belted, yet the so called "Obsolete tapered 375 H&H" over took the 9,3 in popularity and continues to do so...same way the True King will do to the more powerful Ruger. Rather then be so caught up with which one is better, why don't you get both or how about get the best of both worlds like i did : 9.3x62, 9.3x74R , 375 Ruger, and 375 H&H and enjoy them for what they are....which all will kill the same game.


Pictured from Left to Right:

Ruger African M77 375 Ruger, CZ 550 Safari Magnum 375 H&H, Ruger African M77 9.3x62, Ruger #1 9.3x74R

 
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dgradinaru said:
If you really look at cartridge design, you could almost say that the 375 Ruger is 97 years late to the picture of modern cartridges. The 9.3x64 designed in 1910 but officially released in 1927 is a non belted wide body magnum type of cartridge. Performance @ 285GR =2690-2700 fps. Sounds almost like a copy.....magnum performance in a standard action and non-belted, yet the so called "Obsolete tapered 375 H&H" over took the 9,3 in popularity and continues to do so...same way the True King will do to the more powerful Ruger. Rather then be so caught up with which one is better, why don't you get both or how about get the best of both worlds like i did : 9.3x62, 9.3x74R , 375 Ruger, and 375 H&H and enjoy them for what they are....which all will kill the same game.
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The 9,3x64 is probably a better designed cartridge than the 375 H&H, especially for back then with the rifle actions available. I suppose the reason the H&H ended up being more popular was due to it's 15 year head start and American and UK hunters preferences, and possibly brass availability and wars factored in. The world of cartridges might have evolved very differently had designers and wildcatters not been so enamored with the H&H case and spent more time with one of the beltless cases available at the time. Heck, the 375 Ruger is a 9.5x65.5 in metric terms. They should have necked up the 64 case way back then. Probably someone did, actually! :)
 
Gatehouse said:
The 9,3x64 is probably a better designed cartridge than the 375 H&H, especially for back then with the rifle actions available. I suppose the reason the H&H ended up being more popular was due to it's 15 year head start and American and UK hunters preferences, and possibly brass availability and wars factored in. The world of cartridges might have evolved very differently had designers and wildcatters not been so enamored with the H&H case and spent more time with one of the beltless cases available at the time. Heck, the 375 Ruger is a 9.5x65.5 in metric terms. They should have necked up the 64 case way back then. Probably someone did, actually! :)
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Your hatred toward the H&H seems about as unfounded as some peoples hatred for the Ruger. Most peculiar.
 
the 9.3s were so popular that they needed a war and being on the wrong side to lost in popularity. it took up to the 70s to having back the 9.3x62 and 74r back on the shelves in Europe but the African part of that caliber was gone and mostly found no enough powerful by the users of the 375hh ... himself happy to have winchester selling it too ... imagine a model 70 in 9.3x63 ... i ve seem some and one even in town ...

more than the caliber it was the rifle that attracted me for the 375 ruger: the left hand stainless with plywood stock and those wonderful open sights. the same rifle in 9.3x62 and there will be no 375 ruger on the market ... the rest is now history. still hard to find 375 ruger for some but again having 300 win mag brass can save the bacon ...
 
You guys are funny,Mark started the thread and no doubt finish it and his sidekick Gatehouse has managed to get some of the participants to take the bait and firmly step on the pan of the trap, the good thing other than the humor is there is some interesting information on guns ,calibers and history, keep it up.
What do you guys think of Trump
 
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