That's a good plan, it's always best to stock up on brass for unpopular cartridges.
375 Ruger
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That's a good plan, it's always best to stock up on brass for unpopular cartridges.
Yes, it's always a good idea to have lots of brass. Especially if you use a cartridge that is unpopular.
nowarningshot
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Is there a echo in here? Picked up 6 boxes of factory ammo $175. Already have 100 virgin, 100 once fired. So I am set. My rifles takes me for walks in Grizzly country, it's not a target gun.
I understand you work at a range, sell shots of the Ruger to customers. Good thing the Ruger uses less powder, or you would be chasing lands, or replacing a barrel. NBet for liability it needs to be factory ammo. $100/box Ruger ammo, pretty much available no where. That is true of all large or obscure calibers, hell half my rifles are reloader only due to cost.
Perhaps in 105 years the Ruger, Weatherby, or Rum will be King. For now it's the H & H. I would bet 50 .338 bore or smaller rifles are sold for every .375 or larger. They are all obscure, and have low sales numbers. Rifles last many years so there are 105 years of low sales numbers H & H, the Rum circa 1991. Weatherby a bit older, what 70's. How old is the.Ruger?
My point: the H&H has much more than 50%, obviously the reigning, still defending King. I think that's great, so is the Ruger, Taylor, Cheytac. Lots of specialty projectile for my Rum. From screaming 235's to 300 gr bone breakers. When I run out of.lands.to chase, I have a.identical Rum barrel. But I doubt I would outlive the original.
This is precisely why the 375 Ruger is the NEW KING.
It has changed the .375 caliber from "obscure" to attainable. People that never really had any desire for a .375 now are buying 375 Ruger rifles, and enjoying the heck out of them!
More 375 Ruger rifles have been sold than 375 RUM rifles, despite the much longer head start. And despite the over 100 year head start of the H&H, 375 Ruger rifle sales are dominating the .375 caliber new rifle sales these days.
nowarningshot
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Great more projectile, now that Obama is gone you might.not need.a.bank loan for it.
So 60% +++ H&H, 30%+ Weatherby, Flanged, Taylor, Rum......whatever latest and greatest in the.last 105 years. Less than 10% Ruger ( but selling several hundred a year in.Kanada) and in 105 years you will still be.around when ...... something else or the H&H is king.
Fifteen years ago my Rum was very affordable, not unlike the.Ruger. Your belief that large bore is truly mainstream or popular is due to this site and where you work. Most hunters have never heard of any 375 except the H&H, and would never consider needing or owning one.
So 60% +++ H&H, 30%+ Weatherby, Flanged, Taylor, Rum......whatever latest and greatest in the.last 105 years. Less than 10% Ruger ( but selling several hundred a year in.Kanada) and in 105 years you will still be.around when ...... something else or the H&H is king.
Fifteen years ago my Rum was very affordable, not unlike the.Ruger. Your belief that large bore is truly mainstream or popular is due to this site and where you work. Most hunters have never heard of any 375 except the H&H, and would never consider needing or owning one.
I think you are confusing what I said, but I will try to explain more clearly.
I didn't say that any .375 was going to be popular/mainstream with all hunters, like a .300 WM or .270 might be. That's just never going to happen. What is happening is that hunters that do want a .375 are increasingly reaching for the 375 Ruger instead of the H&H-and- hunters that probably wouldn't have bought an H&H are buying 375 Rugers, because they come in all sorts of shapes, sizes and price ranges.
The 375 RUM came out in 2000 and by 2012 Remington had dropped it. Unlike the 375 Ruger, no other major manufacturer picked it up. The Ruger is 10 years old and several rifle makers produce them, and Swift just started making ammunition for it.
What can I say? People just love the NEW KING!
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Anyone have a Ruger Compact Magnum? How about a WSSM? Ammo for either.
K
Winchester went through ownership by several different companies and even the employee's. The WSM family came out just before their troubles, the WSSM family after and was dropped. Most on this site know of the Remlin.....or Remington Marlin lever guns, for many years they suffered from poor fit, finish, and mechanicals. It was a.time, approx, 2009 when the bookkeepers of Freedom group were only concerned with profit....period. 375 bore is.low.volume, low profit, it was dropped, the more mainstream 300 RUM and 7 RUM remain. Ensuring brass into the future. One is not talking about 350 Rem Mag here.
Much the same thing happened with WSSM, and RCM. The manufacturers create the.latest and greatest calibers to increase sales, it.didnt work. Immediately after comes Salesman of the.century Barry O. Ruger put out 10/22's that resembled rifles. Hornady dropped projectile lines in a effort to keep up with popular 223 and 308 projectiles. Add a housing, banking, and economic collapse.in.the.states.
My point. Simply this ..... circumstances, timing, politics, health of companies.......all have much more to do with the failure or success of calibers than merit alone. You imply it is otherwise, it's disingenuous.
I will keep my Rum, you your Ruger. Most of the.rest of the buyers like the.H&H, it's been around through fanatical governments, depressions, bookkeepers, before Remington, Weatherby, Ruger, and survived every challenger. That's not going to change
K
Winchester went through ownership by several different companies and even the employee's. The WSM family came out just before their troubles, the WSSM family after and was dropped. Most on this site know of the Remlin.....or Remington Marlin lever guns, for many years they suffered from poor fit, finish, and mechanicals. It was a.time, approx, 2009 when the bookkeepers of Freedom group were only concerned with profit....period. 375 bore is.low.volume, low profit, it was dropped, the more mainstream 300 RUM and 7 RUM remain. Ensuring brass into the future. One is not talking about 350 Rem Mag here.
Much the same thing happened with WSSM, and RCM. The manufacturers create the.latest and greatest calibers to increase sales, it.didnt work. Immediately after comes Salesman of the.century Barry O. Ruger put out 10/22's that resembled rifles. Hornady dropped projectile lines in a effort to keep up with popular 223 and 308 projectiles. Add a housing, banking, and economic collapse.in.the.states.
My point. Simply this ..... circumstances, timing, politics, health of companies.......all have much more to do with the failure or success of calibers than merit alone. You imply it is otherwise, it's disingenuous.
I will keep my Rum, you your Ruger. Most of the.rest of the buyers like the.H&H, it's been around through fanatical governments, depressions, bookkeepers, before Remington, Weatherby, Ruger, and survived every challenger. That's not going to change
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I shook my head when those cartridges came out. It was clear right from the start they weren't going to be popular.
K
375 RUM was sure low volume. Few people wanted one at all. Unlike the .375 Ruger, which had such high sales that even Ruger was absolutely shocked. They gave people what they wanted. The RUM -and all other challengers tot he H&H- didn't give people what they wanted, and so they were all failures in comparison.
Timing often has a big impact (think WSM vs SAUM), but nothing matters more than if people actually want the cartridge. Much more than politics, housing, banking or who is making or not making what bullet. For something to be a success, people need to want your product, even if they didn't know they wanted it before you introduced it to them.
Why was the 300WSM successful? People liked the idea of 300WM performance in a short action rifle. Meanwhile Winchester beat Remington to the punch and the SAUM cartridges mostly flopped. The WSSM's were duds because nobody got excited about their performance, and it wasn't for lack of marketing. The 338 RCM looks like a great cartridge, but people didn't want it. And the 300RCM? Another 300 short mag? Are they crazy?
And while the .300 short mag market was already well saturated, the .375 market wasn't, as nobody had offered a cartridge or rifles that people wanted over the H&H. All the other 375's introduced took too narrow a route to be successful. A more general, inclusive approach to cartridge and rifle design will sell more rifles, simple as that. And that's the approach Ruger took. Make the cartridge fit into ANY standard action rifle. Give slightly more velocity that than the H&H but not so much that some shooters find recoil uncomfortable. Package the cartridge in rifles that people want in this age.
All of these factors contributed to why the Ruger is selling so well, far better than any .375 since the H&H was introduced.
The H&H isn't going anywhere, it's been around too long and plenty of rifles are so chambered. What is happening though, is that new rifle sales are being dominated by the 375 Ruger, and that trend will continue. Will we ever see another company build .375 RUM rifles? Maybe Remington does a limited run at some point? But nobody else is going to pick it up, because shooters don't want it.
I shook my head when those cartridges came out. It was clear right from the start they weren't going to be popular.
K
375 RUM was sure low volume. Few people wanted one at all. Unlike the .375 Ruger, which had such high sales that even Ruger was absolutely shocked. They gave people what they wanted. The RUM -and all other challengers tot he H&H- didn't give people what they wanted, and so they were all failures in comparison.
Timing often has a big impact (think WSM vs SAUM), but nothing matters more than if people actually want the cartridge. Much more than politics, housing, banking or who is making or not making what bullet. For something to be a success, people need to want your product, even if they didn't know they wanted it before you introduced it to them.
Why was the 300WSM successful? People liked the idea of 300WM performance in a short action rifle. Meanwhile Winchester beat Remington to the punch and the SAUM cartridges mostly flopped. The WSSM's were duds because nobody got excited about their performance, and it wasn't for lack of marketing. The 338 RCM looks like a great cartridge, but people didn't want it. And the 300RCM? Another 300 short mag? Are they crazy?
And while the .300 short mag market was already well saturated, the .375 market wasn't, as nobody had offered a cartridge or rifles that people wanted over the H&H. All the other 375's introduced took too narrow a route to be successful. A more general, inclusive approach to cartridge and rifle design will sell more rifles, simple as that. And that's the approach Ruger took. Make the cartridge fit into ANY standard action rifle. Give slightly more velocity that than the H&H but not so much that some shooters find recoil uncomfortable. Package the cartridge in rifles that people want in this age.
All of these factors contributed to why the Ruger is selling so well, far better than any .375 since the H&H was introduced.
The H&H isn't going anywhere, it's been around too long and plenty of rifles are so chambered. What is happening though, is that new rifle sales are being dominated by the 375 Ruger, and that trend will continue. Will we ever see another company build .375 RUM rifles? Maybe Remington does a limited run at some point? But nobody else is going to pick it up, because shooters don't want it.
I personally feel the equal in performance 375H&H/Rugers are great cartridges but they were lacking = not what I was looking for the perfect performance 375 cal cartridge for me is the 375RUM I had been dreaming about this cartridge for years when it came out.
I also have a 375H&H and two 375JDJ's due to this I have no interest in the 375 Ruger at all and probably never will not that it isn't a good cartridge but that it doesn't do anything that my RUM or H&H can do.
I couldn't care less if the H&H and Rugers are more popular but I also know for a fact that most people fear the recoil of the H&H so they also omust fear the recoil of the Ruger.
Years ago when I bought my first 375H&H a Sako Hunter lV everyone I spoke to before I shot it for the first time spewed how heavy the recoil was had me so scared that I hunched over the rifle harder than any rifle I had ever shot previously at the first shot I flinched so bad when the round went off that I barely hit the target.
I removed the empty brass and sat back in amazement at how little recoil it actually was compared to all the spewing that I had been listening too.
So if the average fellow feared the H&H's recoil as much as I witnessed I can just imagine how much more they feared the heavier recoiling RUM made me truly wonder about the manliness of an average shooter which makes me understand why the H&H/Ruger is more popular than a RUM.
I also have a 375H&H and two 375JDJ's due to this I have no interest in the 375 Ruger at all and probably never will not that it isn't a good cartridge but that it doesn't do anything that my RUM or H&H can do.
I couldn't care less if the H&H and Rugers are more popular but I also know for a fact that most people fear the recoil of the H&H so they also omust fear the recoil of the Ruger.
Years ago when I bought my first 375H&H a Sako Hunter lV everyone I spoke to before I shot it for the first time spewed how heavy the recoil was had me so scared that I hunched over the rifle harder than any rifle I had ever shot previously at the first shot I flinched so bad when the round went off that I barely hit the target.
I removed the empty brass and sat back in amazement at how little recoil it actually was compared to all the spewing that I had been listening too.
So if the average fellow feared the H&H's recoil as much as I witnessed I can just imagine how much more they feared the heavier recoiling RUM made me truly wonder about the manliness of an average shooter which makes me understand why the H&H/Ruger is more popular than a RUM.
nowarningshot
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Recoil begins at .40. Although the.375 Rum is right.up there. Personally I think I will keep my Rum. Why drop.down in.performance, after all I don't rent.my rifle out.by the shot to people that really can't shoot a heavy kicker.
A 375 in a smaller rifle and cartridge. That sounds.like a 375 Chatfield/Taylor. So timing, big corporate marketing for a.similar caliber..... obviously has nothing to do with it.
Nahhh
When Ruger/Hornady decided that they wanted to bring a new .375 cartridge to the table to compete with the H&H, they were smart enough to know that:
People would want H&H performance in a 20" barrel
People don't want belts on cartridges that don't need belts
The best way to take advantage of the space in the action is to remove the belt and increase the diameter of the case!
People would respond better to a completely new case than just a recycled belted magnum case
The CT is sort of a band aid solution to getting 375 H&H performance, the CT served a purpose, but it was nullified by the Ruger. If Ruger had simply started selling 375 CT chambered rifles instead of introducing a modern cartridge design, there is no way that it would have been the success story that the 375 Ruger is.
Give the people what they want is usually a good business practice.
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While I already had, on top, a 375 H&H in a Winchester model 70 Super Express, after reading up on the 375 Chatfield Taylor, I 'developed' an interest. When an opportunity to acquire one, below, presented itself, I picked up a custom job from Super Cub.
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nowarningshot
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375 Ultra Mag, official cartridge of guys who wear fanny packs
Touchy...did we somehow hit.a.nerve.there gatehouse....double account?
The.banana gave u away.
Point is ......the.Ruger is interesting, but if.you own a.different or.better 375 ....why bother. Most who would...have. Small niche market... served and soon to.be small runs like M700 classic. A collectable king, enjoy.
LOL... I had to look up what fanny pants are
I have to ask I'm 20 years older than you and didn't have a clue what they were I'm curious as to how you know about them?
Really, must be busy cooking...because they are a much ridiculed social joke.
I would like to be a 'Fly on the wall' after feeding proponents of both cartridges some 'Brown Liquor' at a hunting camp. See if they are as ferocious as they are here...
