400 Yard Elk cartridge . what's your Pick

dan belisle said:
You're inane insistence that your method is the only one. As I said, you do you. - dan
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Always said there is more than one way to do things... mostly because there is. You must have missed this:
Very simply put, the fella with the turret has way more options available than the MPBR guy does.
If nothing else, this is what is trying to be shown...
The rest, as BUM has it, really is fly #### in pepper?

R.
 
Like I said in the first post….for 400 yds at Elk: 300 Win Mag, 300WSM, 7 Rem Mag are great choices.Now that everybody has Flexed and yelled at each other, it’s still true.
By the way, I hunt out west and 400 yards is a long poke, very long poke.Doesn’t matter what your scope is, it’s a long poke.
Also, am I nuts in thinking if you are a a”hunter”, then you should know (in your BRAIN) what your rifle/bullet will do at 100yds, 200yds, etc. out to 400yds? After all aren’t you the one who sights it in?
Are we really going to need AI to hunt soon?
 
rustybarrel said:
Like I said in the first post….for 400 yds at Elk: 300 Win Mag, 300WSM, 7 Rem Mag are great choices.Now that everybody has Flexed and yelled at each other, it’s still true.
By the way, I hunt out west and 400 yards is a long poke, very long poke.Doesn’t matter what your scope is, it’s a long poke.
Also, am I nuts in thinking if you are a a”hunter”, then you should know (in your BRAIN) what your rifle/bullet will do at 100yds, 200yds, etc. out to 400yds? After all aren’t you the one who sights it in?
Are we really going to need AI to hunt soon?
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400 yards is NOT a "long poke" but you should have the required tools and skill if you are going to "poke" at that distance. :)
 
rustybarrel said:
By the way, I hunt out west and 400 yards is a long poke, very long poke.Doesn’t matter what your scope is, it’s a long poke.
Also, am I nuts in thinking if you are a a”hunter”, then you should know (in your BRAIN) what your rifle/bullet will do at 100yds, 200yds, etc. out to 400yds? After all aren’t you the one who sights it in?
Are we really going to need AI to hunt soon?
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400 yrds is a poke by any standards, West or East. Regardless of Caliber

Your not nuts at all. It should be a set standard for every hunter to practice out to those ranges and understand the ballistics of the given caliber they’re shooting. Or in the very least practice to their typical hunting ranges.

Just the latest fad is focused on LRH with the marketing hype behind it. Unfortunately the sad part is that there are some out there taking shots they shouldn’t be as they’re not proficient enough even at lesser ranges.

Ya know…cause the guy at the counter/store or whatever they read on the interwebs says it can be done in that Cal/Gun and that somehow precludes actual range/practice time…
 
hawk-i said:
400 yards is NOT a "long poke" but you should have the required tools and skill if you are going to "poke" at that distance. :)
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Lets not let that get in the way of castigating everyone and reminding us all he was right lol
 
I’m unconventional in the scope department for 400 yard shooting. I use a fixed 6 Leupold with an LR reticle. I zero the bottom dot for 400 yards. That puts most rifles at a 210-235 yard crosshair zero. It also puts the bottom post in that 500 yard range and the top dot in that 325 yd range. (I verify and tape these values to the side of the rangefinder). These last two I rarely use and I’d be quite happy with the single 400 yard dot. It is fast, accurate, and never shifts. The scope is low profile and can be mounted low over the rifle.

I twist turrets for varmints or for fun but have abandoned it for big game and don’t do MPBR. It makes mid range trajectories more robust than I like.
 
That sounds like a great way of doing things.

Waiting on a FX3 6x42 heavy duplex right now and planning on seeing where the start of the widened post puts my zero too.
 
hawk-i said:
400 yards is NOT a "long poke" but you should have the required tools and skill if you are going to "poke" at that distance. :)
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I believe that 400 yards is a long poke, especially hunters cradling a short range cartridge in the eastern-hardwoods. Many Great Plains hunters would find 400 yards a long shot, because that would be outside the scope of their abilities, immoral, or don't even call it hunting, for such a long shot.
 
It’s interesting. A few years ago I was on my 1000 yd range (private) with my family and a couple of my kids friends. With my 223 and 75 gr bullets all the kids ages 11-15 were hitting 100% of the time at 600 yards. 100%. A couple of them had never even shot a rifle before. You want to see faces light up. What a hoot.

Now of course this is controlled. Time is not a factor. The target never moves etc.
 
pathfinder76 said:
It’s interesting. A few years ago I was on my 1000 yd range (private) with my family and a couple of my kids friends. With my 223 and 75 gr bullets all the kids ages 11-15 were hitting 100% of the time at 600 yards. 100%. A couple of them had never even shot a rifle before. You want to see faces light up. What a hoot.

Now of course this is controlled. Time is not a factor. The target never moves etc.
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But it is practice and experience, which leads to being able to do it in the field.

A day or two of warm up/refresher before hunting season starts and with a self respecting centerfire rifle load 400 aint scary unless she's really blowin lol. Honestly to go from 200 to 400 with just about any of the hunting rifles I've had (barring 30-30s etc) put 25" of UP on it and hold center of a 1 foot target and you're dang close if not always on. Willing to bet you take a 7mm-08, 308, 270 win etc load of your choice zeroed at 200 yards and put 6 minutes of up on it and you're on that 1 foot at 400 yard target alright.

Knowing its range close enough to know that is the problem lol. And thats why I wouldn't attempt it without a rangefinder.

But once you do, difficult? Not at all....til the wind messes ya.
 
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If you don’t think 400 yards is a tough shot for most check the backstop at the range and see if you can identify many “groups”.
I have the same 6x leupold as you pathfinder and I also ignore the first dot. I thought it was the lower power that makes them tight but checked a b&c, sightron hhr, razor g4i and they all subtend greater at 6x. Your zeroing method makes good sense.
The heavy duplex is a great hunting reticle Joel but you might curse it at the range.
Got a buddy that zeros his 7 mag at 100 yards like a moron. He’s a deer hunter and most of the opportunities come with poor light. A 250 yard deer looks way out there and he was tired of zipping hair off their back. Works for him.
 
Got ya, Starvin!

It must get in the way of shooting nicer, tighter, smaller groups and targets than a variable with a thinner crosshair but "long range" happens so seldom for me I'm not worried about it too much but I get what you're saying and will be aware of it.
 
NHunter said:
No hey....? What distance is for humanely taking an animals life?
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Well that’s going to depend on a lot factors and variables

- Caliber
- Range
- Hunter/Shooter skill set
- Broadside, 1/4 away, 1/4 to
- Specific animal
- Animal alertness

All the above and more is never a given, because each situation is unique unto itself

This is a LARGE rabbit hole to dive down and a set standard is probably un- agreeable by most.
 
ShrtRnd said:
Well that’s going to depend on a lot factors and variables

- Caliber
- Range
- Hunter/Shooter skill set
- Broadside, 1/4 away, 1/4 to
- Specific animal
- Animal alertness

All the above and more is never a given, because each situation is unique unto itself

This is a LARGE rabbit hole to dive down and a set standard is probably un- agreeable by most.
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Ab-so-lutely
 
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