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Kevan said:
Years ago I shot a lot of 38-40 WCF through a Stevens .410 without a hitch.
Certainly not with benchrest accuracy though !!
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That sounds like a good combination. I dropped a 44-40 in a 410 chamber and it dropped in perfectly. I can't imagine the accidents waiting to happen, with all this talk of shooting 44 and 45 calibre ammo in a 410. As I said, I measured the muzzle of a choked 410 and it was .395.
Then we come to what people are talking about of a 45 Colt/410 gun. The only thing I can figure is that the bores of these special guns must be 453, or something like that, to accomidate a 45 Colt.
With all the talk on this thread, and still some confusion, I think it should be spelled right out.
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SHOOT 44 OR 45 CALIBRE PISTOL AMMUNITION IN A STANDARD 410 SHOTGUN.
 
Gatehouse said:
.45 LONG COlt isn't really incorrect. There was ammunition made to .45 S&W Schofield dimensions, headstamped .45 Colt. So there WAS a .45 SHORT Colt, and therefore a .45 LONG COlt.

Mike Venturino wrote about it in the July RIFLE magazine, he has an example of this ammo in his cartridge collection.
:)
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Actually, .45LC is a user-applied term and not the cartridge's original name name. The cartridge's original name is .45 COLT.

While you can say .45LC and I'll understand what you're saying, technically, you're wrong.
 
Jericho said:
Actually, .45LC is a user-applied term and not the cartridge's original name name. The cartridge's original name is .45 COLT.

While you can say .45LC and I'll understand what you're saying, technically, you're wrong.
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You should write Mike Venturino and tell him he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.:p
 
While we are at such important tasks, we should ensure we correct peopel whenever they call the cartridge introduced as "Cartridge .30 M1 Ball" as the Thirty-aught- six:)

Heck, we should FREAK OUT when someone calls a 7mm Remington Magnum the "SEVEN MAG"

;)

And we all better call the .260 the 6.5 Panther!

OMG, where will it end?

:)
 
H4831 said:
That sounds like a good combination. I dropped a 44-40 in a 410 chamber and it dropped in perfectly. I can't imagine the accidents waiting to happen, with all this talk of shooting 44 and 45 calibre ammo in a 410. As I said, I measured the muzzle of a choked 410 and it was .395.
Then we come to what people are talking about of a 45 Colt/410 gun. The only thing I can figure is that the bores of these special guns must be 453, or something like that, to accomidate a 45 Colt.
With all the talk on this thread, and still some confusion, I think it should be spelled right out.
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SHOOT 44 OR 45 CALIBRE PISTOL AMMUNITION IN A STANDARD 410 SHOTGUN.
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- btw, did you know you can also chamber 45colt in a 44 mag and close the cylinder- did it with a blackhawk convertible- got rid of the blackhawk- just too scary
incidentally, the first 45/410 combo i ever saw was on the CONTENDER pistol, with some kind of goofy looking choke on the end-
i tend to get a little testy when i answered the question,showed the reason behind it, and then get asked the same question in a different way again
 
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I rather prefer 270 vs 280 threads and the endless "What scope should I put on my 338 Lapua" threads to this asinine garbage. If you want to shoot birds, buy a 22 or a shotgun. Stop trying to make your rifle do something it's not supposed to!
 
As for inserts for barrels, could try Dina Arms corp. in the U.S. and they do ship to Canada, as I have some in 12g/22 for my 12/3006 baikal as they make a few different models/calibers.
keith
 
Gatehouse said:
You should write Mike Venturino and tell him he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.:p
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If Mike said that the .45 Colt was designed as the .45 Long Colt, then yeah, someone should educate him. Again, the term 'Long' is user-applied. It just stuck, but technically isn't correct. It's similar to people calling their pistol a 'nine', or that their pistol is chambered in 9mm, when there are many different 9mm chamberings, each chambering has a distinct name. .45colt was .45 colt from the factory.
 
Jericho said:
If Mike said that the .45 Colt was designed as the .45 Long Colt, then yeah, someone should educate him. Again, the term 'Long' is user-applied. It just stuck, but technically isn't correct. It's similar to people calling their pistol a 'nine', or that their pistol is chambered in 9mm, when there are many different 9mm chamberings, each chambering has a distinct name. .45colt was .45 colt from the factory.
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What Mike said is that there was also a shorter .45 cartridge, headstamped at the factory as ".45 Colt"

Therefore, while the original, longer cartridge was named .45 Colt, using the term "long" was not incorrect as it differentiated between the 2 different cartridges with the same name.
 
Jericho said:
It is a user applied term, plain and simple.
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Which makes it about as wrong as calling the .30-06 Springfield "Thirty Aught Six" or the .30 Winchester Smokeless/ .30 WCF the "thirty- thirty" or about a million other cartridge designations that have been "user applied":)

There was a shorter cartridge head stamped "45 Colt" so calling one "long" and the other "short" isn't anything to get worked up about, unless you are the type that gets worked up about little things.:p
 
I just dug this up..oh my, all these applied terms for the 30-30!:eek:

Over the years, it has been known as the:

.30 WINCHESTER SMOKELESS

.30 WINCHESTER

.30 W.C.F.

.30-6-100

.30 Marlin

.30-30 MARLIN SMOKELESS

.30-30 S.

.30-30 W.C.F.

.30-30 Win.

.30 American (Federal case, small primer)

DWM 543 (Germany)

7.62x51R (Europe)

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In all honesty i don't care either way, i just thought those to dancing idiots were pretty funny.
 
While I knew the .44 through a .410 was dangerous the first time I heard about it, there are a Hell of a lot of old timers who will tell you it is OK, and/or they have done it. I don't have any explanation for this, other than they were very lucky, or outright liers.
 
Jericho said:
If Mike said that the .45 Colt was designed as the .45 Long Colt, then yeah, someone should educate him. Again, the term 'Long' is user-applied. It just stuck, but technically isn't correct. It's similar to people calling their pistol a 'nine', or that their pistol is chambered in 9mm, when there are many different 9mm chamberings, each chambering has a distinct name. .45colt was .45 colt from the factory.
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Not entirly true as the Schofield was prefered by the Calvery as it could be loaded easier on horseback,and many times Ammo would get mixed up at REMO and the troops getting the 45 schofield could use it in thier .45 colt pistols but not the other way round! So many Quautermasters specified .45 LONG COLT,and many said .45 short Colt or Schofield.

It was VERY IMPORTANT in the day!

Bob
 
Also many here have said I use it in my Marlin 410,The Marlin Mod 410 was made in 1929-32 and is a lever action made off the Marlin 1893 .

You would not want to shoot a .45 colt in it,it's barrel is very thin and it is quite light weight. I think the 2&1/2 shells it was made for is enough!

I could be wrong but I value my eyes and fingers too much to try.

Bob
 
I had a little .410. I dumped the lead shot out and stuffed .41mag lead into it and fired those a lot. was nervous the first shot so I held it way out with my left hand and ducked to the right when I squeezed the trigger!!! I can still flip the bird to any Allen Rock supporters I see on the street!
 
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