44mag or .30-.30 which would you use?
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JohnC
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Have win 94 Trappers in both 30-30 and .44 mag. The 30-30's been in the safe the last 5 years. No real difference in ballistics out to 100- 120 yards, a much bigger hole and 40% more bullet weight for the .44.
Originally Posted by blindside
This year I shot a buck that had no idea we were there(head down) 45/70 420 gr hard cast between the tail and the anus,the entire length of the spine,out the chest,under the jaw,out the top of the head. That was a bad shot made good.
Why would not wait till a better shot presented itself
Then there would be no bad shot made good argument, it would all be good....would'nt it
My vote still goes for the thuddy-thuddy
This year I shot a buck that had no idea we were there(head down) 45/70 420 gr hard cast between the tail and the anus,the entire length of the spine,out the chest,under the jaw,out the top of the head. That was a bad shot made good.
Why would not wait till a better shot presented itself
Then there would be no bad shot made good argument, it would all be good....would'nt it
My vote still goes for the thuddy-thuddy
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blindside said:
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Ummm...if it didn't know you were there, why would you take the lowest percentage shot avaiable?
Real easy to deflect off the hip, and do #### all but put a hole in the deer (as it runs FAR away)
Deer don't stay put THAT long...for christs sake, give a squeak or just friggin wait...a better shot will present. And if it doesn't? Oh well...I'd let it go first. I wouldn't give a #### if I was using my RUM, I won't shoot a deer in the ass (unless it's hit/wounded allready)
Geeze....and people wonder why hunters get a bad name. Sometimes I just shake my head.
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riginally Posted by blindside
This year I shot a buck that had no idea we were there(head down) 45/70 420 gr hard cast between the tail and the anus,the entire length of the spine,out the chest,under the jaw,out the top of the head. That was a bad shot made good.
I've done the same thing with a cast bullet from my 30-30, except that the exit was out the chest.
Bang flop.
Your point?
If you blow the leg off a deer with a 45-70, it's no different than the same with a 30-30.
I have no urge to repeat the O'Connor arguement. I like big bores myself. Besides, Jack is supposed to have won the arguement in favour of small bores.
The 30-30, and 45-70 are among my favorite hunting cartridges. I've used both extensively with many types of bullets, on a pile of deer.
I've also used the 338WM and the 270. They waste meat.
I've also trailed more than a few wounded deer from all sorts of cartridges. A bad shot, is a bad shot.
This year I shot a buck that had no idea we were there(head down) 45/70 420 gr hard cast between the tail and the anus,the entire length of the spine,out the chest,under the jaw,out the top of the head. That was a bad shot made good.
I've done the same thing with a cast bullet from my 30-30, except that the exit was out the chest.
Bang flop.
Your point?
If you blow the leg off a deer with a 45-70, it's no different than the same with a 30-30.
I have no urge to repeat the O'Connor arguement. I like big bores myself. Besides, Jack is supposed to have won the arguement in favour of small bores.
The 30-30, and 45-70 are among my favorite hunting cartridges. I've used both extensively with many types of bullets, on a pile of deer.
I've also used the 338WM and the 270. They waste meat.
I've also trailed more than a few wounded deer from all sorts of cartridges. A bad shot, is a bad shot.
John Y Cannuck said:
Its not as bad with a big gun...Big holes up your chances...once again under the microscope we go. Please wound me in the foot with a 22 as opposed to a rocket launcher..I should put it this way. Big guns make a bad shot less bad..I've seen it to many times,for any more quoting to work on me. And as for meat wastage of calibers. There no greater waste than even taking a chance at wasting the whole thing cause you dont find it
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Yup. It takes a big man to shoot a deer in the ass.
However, did you ever think that it takes a bigger man to choose not to risk a piss-poor shot?
I think so....scratch that....I KNOW so.
However, did you ever think that it takes a bigger man to choose not to risk a piss-poor shot?
I think so....scratch that....I KNOW so.
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blindside said:
Blindside,
I hunt with a 375 H&H most of the time and even though I know the 375 is able to handle it, I would not take this shot, but rather wait until the deer turned.
Why did you take this shot when the deer was undisturbed?
Ted
Face it Blindside ... your big gun is not the issue here. Your role, no, responsibility as an ethical hunter is to take game humanely. It's no joke to shoot a deer in the ass, and I fear you've probably had a lot of good chuckles over this with your buddies. Half of them will silently despise you and the other half will be turning into bubbas like you.
This is no pissing match between you and a few on this thread. It's what makes good hunters good, and bad hunters bad. I hope you get you head turned in the right direction and don't go "blindsiding" any more animals the way you describe again.
AS to the bush gun question, I'd take a .30-30 cuz I got two, one scoped and other peep sight ... a bit more range than the .44 esp with leverevolution cartidges. I'd take a .44 though if I had one. Not much diff.
This is no pissing match between you and a few on this thread. It's what makes good hunters good, and bad hunters bad. I hope you get you head turned in the right direction and don't go "blindsiding" any more animals the way you describe again.
AS to the bush gun question, I'd take a .30-30 cuz I got two, one scoped and other peep sight ... a bit more range than the .44 esp with leverevolution cartidges. I'd take a .44 though if I had one. Not much diff.
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Not a bad read on this subject.
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/shooting_tips/shot_placement/index3.html#cont
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/shooting_tips/shot_placement/index3.html#cont
I could toss a stone and hit you from where i am.LOL.
Still think takin risky shots with any caliber is a no no.A GUT SHOT IS STILL A GUT SHOT.Bad shot by mistake can be excused.
MAYBE YOUR NOT A DUNCE.Dont take it personal.
Still think takin risky shots with any caliber is a no no.A GUT SHOT IS STILL A GUT SHOT.Bad shot by mistake can be excused.
MAYBE YOUR NOT A DUNCE.Dont take it personal.
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