44mag or .30-.30 which would you use?

In my opinion I would use 44 magnum, for wilderness carry, and not actually on a hunting trip. I would use hard cast, heavy lead bullets, for specifically wildlife protection when needed. (Trapper variant)
And if was deer hunting only, in any area where I might get a shot beyond 100 yards....the 30-30 would be my first choice.
 
Miles Teg said:
I would definately take the 44 magnum with heavy bullets over the 30-30, and Bobby you need spell check.
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Oh My goodness you must mean a S in baterdized!

No need in spellcheck with you here HUH champ? Everything is subjective and questionable exspecially the .44 Cal,it really needs another 4 as in .444!

Don't use a pistol round in a rifle and expect anything balistic,unless you are talking .45Colt.

Course I'm all ears Miles Teg!

Bob
 
bobbyjack said:
The 30/30 has more muzzel energy at 100 yards than the .44REM MAG at the muzzel and it just goes down from there.

Much as I like the .44 MAG the 30/30 has set the standards all other Baterdized 38-55 loadings have had to overcome.


Bob
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For one thing its Muzzle energy not Muzzel, and another thing, muzzle energy pertains to the energy at the muzzle, not at 100 yards. And then there is your use of the word Basterdized, which means "To lower in quality or character; debase" I think the word you were looking for was bastardised which means" deriving from more than one source or style" .
 
Miles Teg said:
For one thing its Muzzle energy not Muzzel, and another thing, muzzle energy pertains to the energy at the muzzle, not at 100 yards. And then there is your use of the word Basterdized, which means "To lower in quality or character; debase" I think the word you were looking for was bastardised which means" deriving from more than one source or style" .
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No Again the energy at 100 yards is still more than at the barrel of the .44 Mag,and you have nothing to add to this except you have no guns or rifles.

And how about a .375H&H MAG do you believe it can get you 4,000 lbs muzzle energy?

And about spelling could I say shut your Pie-hole,and would that equate to shut the hell up?

Cause you know nothing really about guns!

If you can't be kind ,be Vague!

Vague Bob
 
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OK, I'm goin to post on this dead serious. the 30-30 and the 44 are the soul reasons i went to a 45/70 with cast bullets & hot loads..I cant forget the shotgun it used to be in there too. Where I hunt I typically chased. Which as you all know that meant either bringing in a lead of dogs or lining up humans abreast. So off we went. I would bet even money that virtually every time,a deer would hop out of a juniper literaly at my feet in a flash. I dont care what anyone says ,the 30 cal projectile was just not meant to cut a straight line through jungle. Guess what I'd be holding EVERY SINGLE time? yep,the thirty....So the next day the ruger or shotgun come out. Get a Chase going, at some point be crossing a beaver dam, look down the flats or onto another dam 120 yds away and there crossing was Mr seldom seen monster....After years of watching deer get away the likes of which will not be seen in my lifetime again, I got sick, good and sick. Not sick to the point that my changes were limited to what I had, but sick to whereas I was going to look at the situation(s) and do what was req'd..If it fell within what I had,great. If not then beg borrow or trade, I was going to change to do what was necessary to shoot at any and all of these animals..Couple guns got sold. A marlin 45/70, 2 power IER loopy, an LBT 340 grain WFN mold, and casting supplies....I'm not going to lie, it werent cheap, but its now point and click at my feet or at 130...Nothing and I say nothing cuts a line like a hard cast with a wide flat frontal,and if your sighted in properly you can take the curve out to get ya to 150....At that distance they aint fast but just ask the 1100 lb elk that was at full run that I toplled at 236 yds this year if speed and cast really matter....Theres my answer
 
While I agree with blindside again, inside 100 yds. the .44 Mag. can do what he talks about with the 45/70, heavy cast flatnose bullet(325gr.) in the .44 is plenty for Deer offering total penetration and plenty of destruction.
 
ben hunchak said:
While I agree with blindside again, inside 100 yds. the .44 Mag. can do what he talks about with the 45/70, heavy cast flatnose bullet(325gr.) in the .44 is plenty for Deer offering total penetration and plenty of destruction.
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I didnt go that route only because I thought his 44 was a semi, and cast tends to clog gas port on semi. So if I was going to have to trade to a non semi,I figured I might has well jump a caliber, and pick up a little more ump and bullet selection
 
I like Blindside's idea, and I think many of us would do the same in his shoes.
Just a reminder on the performance of 44/45-70 with hard cast, the
end all/be all, would in this case be Garrette's ammo and there are many customer responces posted on his website. And I must add that recently, the excellent "Rayco's Gun Shop" in Juneau Alaska , now is an in house source of this Garrette brand of the ammo over thier counter.....
Although many of us "Nutz" cast, some of us cannot, for various reasons.
 
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I use both the .30-30 and the .44 Magnum. Both in lever guns. The .30-30 would get my nod at ranges over 125 yards. Shoots a little flatter. In the buck brush give me 11 rounds of .44 mag in my Rossi 92!


cheers Darryl
 
I'd love the choice but what muzzle energy does the .44 mag make? If its 1700 foot lbs then I'm interested!
 
Brutus said:
I like Blindside's idea, and I think many of us would do the same in his shoes.
Just a reminder on the performance of 44/45-70 with hard cast, the
end all/be all, would in this case be Garrette's ammo and there are many customer responces posted on his website. And I must add that recently, the excellent "Rayco's Gun Shop" in Juneau Alaska , now is an in house source of this Garrette brand of the ammo over thier counter.....
Although many of us "Nutz" cast, some of us cannot, for various reasons.
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These come out at a hardness of about twenty. Like I said you want tall scope mounts to tame the trajectory(I use talleys) but by gum the splinters are usually settling down to earth for quite a while after its been through...
I figure by my program that it wasnt doing much over 700 fps when it hit that elk. It dont need speed. Cast dont kill better or worse than copper just different. I think I'm soon goin to make that a sig line,catchy

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I'm betting the deer I shot front to back with my 45-70 with 340gr HP was just as messy as the one blindside shot the other way to. :D
The 30-30 one was too.
Remember the original post was for under 100 yards?
Either cartridge is more than capable under those conditions, and frankly, the brush busting ability difference between the two doesn't add up to a hill of beans.
Shoot whichever one you take a liking to.
 
John Y Cannuck said:
I'm betting the deer I shot front to back with my 45-70 with 340gr HP was just as messy as the one blindside shot the other way to. :D
The 30-30 one was too.
Remember the original post was for under 100 yards?
Either cartridge is more than capable under those conditions, and frankly, the brush busting ability difference between the two doesn't add up to a hill of beans.
Shoot whichever one you take a liking to.
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For the most part between the two offered your right. Theres little diffs but not a lot. Thats why I went 45/70 and hard cast so as to pick up a noticeable diff
 
Ont Shooter said:
I like and have used both, but after about 2 hours of walking the 44 carbine is easier on the arms to carry and manoeuvre around. Oh ya I like pistol calibers.
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Oh come on, there just isn't that much difference in wieght between a '94 Winchester and a Ruger Carbine.
Plus, the Winchester has near twice the mag cap as the Ruger. Were you slugging a Marlin? :D
 
John Y Cannuck said:
Oh come on, there just isn't that much difference in wieght between a '94 Winchester and a Ruger Carbine.
Plus, the Winchester has near twice the mag cap as the Ruger. Were you slugging a Marlin? :D
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Do you need twice the mag cap?Lets hope not.
I to have both and like both.You can get back on target alot quicker with the little ruger for sure.Both are very easy to carry IMO.
 
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