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Ian Sa said:
Scalpers are a cancer upon a free market.
[...]They profit by inhibiting the free flow of goods from a manufacturer to the consumer.
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1) They aren't a "cancer upon a free market", they just another part of a free market. As soon as we use the force of law to inhibit them, we are reducing freedom in the market (and therefore our lives).
2) As I have pointed out, they profit (or lose) by taking risks. They buy a block of tickets (or other goods), hoping that demand will be strong. Regarding the losers (whom we seldom remember because we gleefully buy from them), anyone ever buy discounted tickets outside a venue when the scalper over-estimated demand? I have. Great way to save a few bucks on a last-minute purchase. Closer to gunnutz, lots of would-be scalpers lost a ton of money on p-mags when the market shifted.

If you don't like them - in other words, don't want to pay their prices - then don't buy from them. That means someone else, with either deeper pockets or more desire, will buy instead. Or that no-one will, and then the price comes down. Sounds free from here.
 
acrashb said:
1) They aren't a "cancer upon a free market", they just another part of a free market. As soon as we use the force of law to inhibit them, we are reducing freedom in the market (and therefore our lives).
2) As I have pointed out, they profit (or lose) by taking risks. They buy a block of tickets (or other goods), hoping that demand will be strong. Regarding the losers (whom we seldom remember because we gleefully buy from them), anyone ever buy discounted tickets outside a venue when the scalper over-estimated demand? I have. Great way to save a few bucks on a last-minute purchase. Closer to gunnutz, lots of would-be scalpers lost a ton of money on p-mags when the market shifted.

If you don't like them - in other words, don't want to pay their prices - then don't buy from them. That means someone else, with either deeper pockets or more desire, will buy instead. Or that no-one will, and then the price comes down. Sounds free from here.
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I didn't suggest to outlaw opportunists, more that the free market should ignore and therefore invalidate this line of business. I personally never buy from ticket scalpers.
Would you feel the same if scalpers held up the lines for medical treatment? Sorry Mr.Patient but the medical treatment you require is booked up for the next six months, you can either wait or pay 10x the normal rate to someone who is holding the line merely to profit from you.

Profiteering is a very old and disgusting trade and if you are involved I hope you rethink it. Leeching off your fellow man is a very negative way of living.

I.S.
 
Are these E landers in stock? who has them and what price?

Oh never mind, not approved by RCMP...####ty
 
Ian Sa said:
I personally never buy from ticket scalpers.
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Would you feel the same if scalpers held up the lines for medical treatment?
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1) that's great - few live by their principles.
2) yes. Because then the supply would go up, prices come back down, and availability improve. A scalper can only "hold up the line" if the good / service is under-priced to start with. If it is priced to meet demand, the scalper can't exist. If a good / service is under-priced, either you get in line and wait, or enter a lottery, or skip the queue somehow. Basic economics. We see it all the time with scarce mags and other gun stuff. Why is a real G36 so expensive? Because there aren't enough to meet the demand.

To give a recent example in a more global context, Venezuela imposes price controls on basic consumer goods. So now there is a chronic shortage of toilet paper. I expect that they also have TP scalpers (which is, in Venezuela, quite a dangerous occupation, further driving-up scalper prices as a risk premium).
 
acrashb said:
1) ...supply would go up, prices come back down, and availability improve...
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my friend your facts just don't add up.
Scalpers do not produce anything nor do they resell their goods at a loss.
They buy items to reduce the supply to legitimate buyers, then profit by reselling at an inflated rate in a supply starved market. If you feel the definition of a scalper is something else then please consult wikipedia (who term scalpers as "a fraudulent form of market manipulation".)

To suggest that they reduce ticket prices is laughable. If you have purchased tickets from a scalper below face value then good for you. I can assure you that it's not the norm.
Similarly I've heard of some people making money in the casino, but that doesn't mean that casinos are in the business of giving money away.

I.S.
 
Ian Sa said:
my friend your facts just don't add up.
Scalpers do not produce anything nor do they resell their goods at a loss.
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They do both. They produce (like any other middleman, such as your grocery store) lower-cost bulk transactions. I have worked for a few ticket sellers: they like scalpers. And, as indicated, when scalpers guess the demand incorrectly, they do sell at a loss, because that is better than not selling at all.
 
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Some events can only be bought through stub hub.

Am I correct in thinking stub hub is simply legalized scalping?

either way, I don't care. If I want to go to an event and couldn't get tix, I seek out a scalper local to that event.

Win in win, he sells his wares, I get in the event.

Although I've paid slightly more than face value, you can't beat the convenience!
 
We're still in active discussion with the RCMP. Can't really say anymore at the moment. For better or worse, this should be resolved in the next couple weeks.
 
NR Magazine said:
We're still in active discussion with the RCMP. Can't really say anymore at the moment. For better or worse, this should be resolved in the next couple weeks.
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You're doing great work NR!

Just in case I missed it, are you running a pre order list?

I jumped on them when you last had the aa ones.

Thanks!
 
It will be interesting what ripple effects will spread to other common practices given that the current laws are clearly worded to support magazines being used in this way.
 
NR Magazine said:
We're still in active discussion with the RCMP. Can't really say anymore at the moment. For better or worse, this should be resolved in the next couple YEARS.
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fixed it for you. remember this when dealing with the RCMP, if they can't say YES, the will NEVER say NO. they will sit on it and just let if fester till you run out of time/money/patience. they have all of the previous in unlimited amounts.

good luck though
 
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