50 Bw mags things are getting stupid

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enefgee said:
Are full mags not grandfathered, and new ones production date marked? In NY does it not say that you can't load more than 7, but it says nothing about having that capacity available in the magazine - there was a guy charged for loading more than the permitted capacity, but not for possessing the capability to.
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No idea about grandfathering of old mags, but new mags in both states are limited now. I know in New York the old mags don't have to be pinned, but you can't load them past the limit of the law. New mags being sold in New York and California are limited.
 
I may be crazy but I remember reading somewhere that AA was getting into patent disputes regarding its mags and saying only they can produce them. The States is very litigious and I could see this tact (for example saying you don't produce a product when you do) as a way of skirting this issue. It may not work however, time will tell.
 
Cummins said:
Well I probably won't throw it in the garbage but one business saying another business is doing something unlawful didn't work out well last time did it. If they don't have a hate on for there competitor phone them and discuss it private like now there getting bashed in another thread maybe they should be trying to cash in on a trend.
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You're out of line.

BBB is one of the good guys here. He along with other vendors (Farmboy, the Wolverine dynamic duo/trio, Kate, Henry, Chemist, Phil from P&D, and others I don't have time to mention but are just as mentionable) have our best interests at heart and don't want to see anyone get thrown in jail because they were duped; or, see another knee-jerk piece of legislation passed in Ottawa closing the loop hole on being able to squeeze more than 5 round into a semi auto rifle because some douche bag openly mucked with it (not saying C Products is doing this specifically).

Quit questioning the man's motives. Tinfoil is reserved for the OT forum
 
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fenceline said:
The problem is, C-Products mags, and those specifically being sold as C Product mags have had doubt cast upon them by C-Products staff themselves. There in lies the problem.

The followers, springs and floor plates don't matter. The mag body is the mag, and that matters as far as what is was first intended to be used for by the manufacture upon being manufactured.

I really wish these stupid mag laws would disappear. The amount of bandwith being sucked alone up is ridiculously stupid, let alone the fact the impact of the law is only felt by lawful shooters.
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I was un-aware of the fact that the staff of C-Products have been casting doubt onto there own products, that certainly is alarming considering RCMP have said that intent is the deciding factor on legality.
 
I wasn't going to post in here but I wanted to add one this. Yes C Products Defense (CPD) is making 50 Beowulf magazines now. They may not list it and some staff may not be aware of this but they are making them. I won't be adding anything more at this time except they look like good quality mags and the samples I saw looked good. I've already outlined in my thread, which I have locked, why we haven't brought them in yet.

Ryan


fenceline said:
The problem is, C-Products mags, and those specifically being sold as C Product mags have had doubt cast upon them by C-Products staff themselves. There in lies the problem.

The followers, springs and floor plates don't matter. The mag body is the mag, and that matters as far as what is was first intended to be used for by the manufacture upon being manufactured.

I really wish these stupid mag laws would disappear. The amount of bandwith being sucked alone up is ridiculously stupid, let alone the fact the impact of the law is only felt by lawful shooters.
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Thank you Ryan. Unlike some people I plan to be patient. I'm not a lawyer. I don't want to be parsing grey area information. I will wait for the legit product.
 
After reading this I am glad I didn't drop all my 10rnd AR Pistol mags and pre-order these .50 BEO ones. It seems they are not even being produced yet.

If any vendor is taking .223 magazines and "re engraving" them .50BEO and selling them as such that is a really really underhanded and unethical practice. That puts, like BBB said, the customers in a very poor legal position for sure.
 
A mag body is just a mag body until it is stamped assembled and sold as a specific caliber, any alterations after that would be modifications. If the body was stamped/engraved 50beo then assembled at the factory and sold as such it shouldn't matter if the body is made on the same machinery as it is marketed as a different product.
 
Gotten a bit off track here. The thread was not about C Products mags but about these new "Canadian Made" ones that have popped up
 
Hopefully this can be put to bed. Rather than wild speculation (had to edit - speculation about the CPD mags) I emailed them and they got back to me - sometimes all you gotta do is ask. See below.

Hello Ryan,

C Products Defense makes a 5 round 50 caliber aluminum magazine which is engraved specifically for the Canadian market. We have import licenses from our Canadian customers and export licenses from the U.S. Department of Defense and Trade Controls.

Thank you for your inquiry and your interest in C Products Defense magazines,

The CPD Sales Team
 
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Ryan.M.Anderson said:
Hopefully this can be put to bed. Rather than wild speculation (had to edit - speculation about the CPD mags) I emailed them and they got back to me - sometimes all you gotta do is ask. See below.

Hello Ryan,

C Products Defense makes a 5 round 50 caliber aluminum magazine which is engraved specifically for the Canadian market. We have import licenses from our Canadian customers and export licenses from the U.S. Department of Defense and Trade Controls.

Thank you for your inquiry and your interest in C Products Defense magazines,

The CPD Sales Team
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Just engraved, not designed for .50 Beowolf? Maybe I'm reading a little too much into that but I'd hate to be the test case for the anti gun LEO who decides to confiscate and possibly arrest someone for possession of a prohibited device.
 
This could be the perfect case to use to scrap our useless mag cap laws. If everyone yelled and screamed like when the 858's and SA were reclassed then the CPC might listen to gun owners and change the mag regs.
 
whiteoutjeeper said:
If that's the case, then the borders placed by Hi Cal, SFRC and the others won't be getting filled. But Hi Cal has said that they have tested these and they are running fine in the .50 rifle it was intended for.
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where did they say that? I asked multiple times in his own thread and they refused to do any testing until the mags are here even though they have the samples already.

Even out of the ones already sold by another retailer I have not seen one report as to how they function in a 50 Beowulf rifle. It is clear that C products used a 223 anti tilt follower and milled of the caliber markings from the pictures posted.

Alexander Arms Magazines use their own design of follower that is not an anti tilt to eliminate feeding issues with the 50 Beowulf round so I find it highly unlikely that the C products mags will function reliably with the 50 Beowulf rounds, even the polymer PCV mags do not feed reliably with the 50 beowulf rounds. What is the purpose of these mags if they do not function properly with the ammunition they were designed for? This is likely how the magazines will be regulated in the future as they were never intended to be functional with the ammunition type they were claimed to be designed for.
 
jjr said:
Just engraved, not designed for .50 Beowolf? Maybe I'm reading a little too much into that but I'd hate to be the test case for the anti gun LEO who decides to confiscate and possibly arrest someone for possession of a prohibited device.
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I think you are looking at the wrong part. 5 round 50 caliber aluminium magazine. To me that reads pretty much like it was designed that way. The engraving is there to clarify things for us Canadians.

Interpretations can be neat...
 
Brian46 said:
where did they say that? I asked multiple times in his own thread and they refused to do any testing until the mags are here even though they have the samples already.

Even out of the ones already sold by another retailer I have not seen one report as to how they function in a 50 Beowulf rifle. It is clear that C products used a 223 anti tilt follower and milled of the caliber markings from the pictures posted.

Alexander Arms Magazines use their own design of follower that is not an anti tilt to eliminate feeding issues with the 50 Beowulf round so I find it highly unlikely that the C products mags will function reliably with the 50 Beowulf rounds, even the polymer PCV mags do not feed reliably with the 50 beowulf rounds. What is the purpose of these mags if they do not function properly with the ammunition they were designed for? This is likely how the magazines will be regulated in the future as they were never intended to be functional with the ammunition type they were claimed to be designed for.
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Better prohibit gen 3 pmags because they changed fitment and don't work in some guns they are intended for. Oh we should just repurpose the Chinese .223 mags with no anti tilt follower to .50 beo.

It's a broken system and that is adding more poor logic to it. I've heard people report even the PCV ones work fine in their .50's
 
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