95gr in a 6.5? Are those varmint bullets, or perhaps monometal?
6.5 Creedmoor vs 243 for deer/coyotes?
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95gr in a 6.5? Are those varmint bullets, or perhaps monometal?
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Sorry 90gr Speer TNT, 85gr Sierra, and 123gr Hornady , all have worked well on Coyotes. The 123gr is the only one I'd suggest for deer.
All would work for deer if you pick your shot.
All would work for deer if you pick your shot.
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6.5x55 may be fine for those smaller Scandinavian sub-species of Moose
but for North American game you need North American designed ammo 
If its not made here its crap
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6.5x55 may be fine for those smaller Scandinavian sub-species of Moose
If its not made here its crap
Well yeah. If it doesn't have magnum in the name and isn't AT LEAST a 30cal it just bounces off our moose. Everyone knows that.
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6.5x55 may be fine for those smaller Scandinavian sub-species of Moose
If its not made here its crap
Metric ammunition does not shoot well. Real Hunters shoot by the inch.
It's been said already but I'll add a story, one that my hunting buddy related to me. He was a lefty, and had a Savage in 243 that he rebarreled to 260. His load was nothing special, 120 gr sierra Spitzer with 47.5 gr of H380. I have a box of his ammo. One night we were swapping lies and laughing when he tells me, "You wouldn't believe how that 260 smacks deer, it's one heck of a caliber."
My buddy had hunted whitetails for years with the 243, he was a deadly shot, and still, he and I tracked lots of his game, so much so that I don't think it's a good deer caliber. The 243 is a 22-250 on steroids. One heck of a decent varmint caliber, and the 6mm Creedmoor with probably un-throne it. When Warren Page was doing his 6mm development he tested a few shoulder angles and his version had a steeper angled shoulder on the same length body, which gave the cartridge a longer neck. To get onto the 6mm bandwagon Winchester simply necked the 308 case down to 6mm with the same shoulder and called it the 243. It never was ideal, but it beat the 244 Remington, it's only competition. There is lots of knowledge out there about case length, shoulder angle, neck length and ballistics, and today the 243 just misses the mark in so many ways. Not all bad, just better stuff out there.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is in essence a 260 Remington with a few issues corrected. It is an engineered cartridge, it's time is today. Interestingly, to work it needs a faster than the normal 1:10 or 1:12 stuff of the last century. It also needs good bullets, better than was the norm years ago. It will and does work well.
Youth calibers: Regrettably I don't see many calibers engineered specifically for youth or small hunters. Some of the older ones would qualify in my book. The 250-3000 comes to mind, or the 7x30 Waters, or the 25-35 Winchester in a single shot or light lever. They book at close to 243 ballistics, but they use the increased caliber to their advantage. Lower velocity allows for reliable expansion with normal bullets (cup and core), and with less powder, they don't bark and buck like a higher intensity caliber.
When I hear 6mm or 243 talk I remember the words of EK after shooting a running whitetail with the then new 244 Remington, "Ain't much of a caliber is it.". And the other EK gem, " I prefer to hunt for my game before I shoot it".
I ramble, my bad, but just the other day my son and I were caliber talking. We each have a Ruger M77 Mark II ultralight in 223, and if you load that with a 70 gr Speer, it would make one nice deer gun. Not long range, but within 30-30 range, it may be the ticket.
No matter what you choose, use a good bullet, a good bullet in a bad caliber is better than a bad bullet in a good caliber.
My buddy had hunted whitetails for years with the 243, he was a deadly shot, and still, he and I tracked lots of his game, so much so that I don't think it's a good deer caliber. The 243 is a 22-250 on steroids. One heck of a decent varmint caliber, and the 6mm Creedmoor with probably un-throne it. When Warren Page was doing his 6mm development he tested a few shoulder angles and his version had a steeper angled shoulder on the same length body, which gave the cartridge a longer neck. To get onto the 6mm bandwagon Winchester simply necked the 308 case down to 6mm with the same shoulder and called it the 243. It never was ideal, but it beat the 244 Remington, it's only competition. There is lots of knowledge out there about case length, shoulder angle, neck length and ballistics, and today the 243 just misses the mark in so many ways. Not all bad, just better stuff out there.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is in essence a 260 Remington with a few issues corrected. It is an engineered cartridge, it's time is today. Interestingly, to work it needs a faster than the normal 1:10 or 1:12 stuff of the last century. It also needs good bullets, better than was the norm years ago. It will and does work well.
Youth calibers: Regrettably I don't see many calibers engineered specifically for youth or small hunters. Some of the older ones would qualify in my book. The 250-3000 comes to mind, or the 7x30 Waters, or the 25-35 Winchester in a single shot or light lever. They book at close to 243 ballistics, but they use the increased caliber to their advantage. Lower velocity allows for reliable expansion with normal bullets (cup and core), and with less powder, they don't bark and buck like a higher intensity caliber.
When I hear 6mm or 243 talk I remember the words of EK after shooting a running whitetail with the then new 244 Remington, "Ain't much of a caliber is it.". And the other EK gem, " I prefer to hunt for my game before I shoot it".
I ramble, my bad, but just the other day my son and I were caliber talking. We each have a Ruger M77 Mark II ultralight in 223, and if you load that with a 70 gr Speer, it would make one nice deer gun. Not long range, but within 30-30 range, it may be the ticket.
No matter what you choose, use a good bullet, a good bullet in a bad caliber is better than a bad bullet in a good caliber.
...... Cartridges... They are called cartridges..... It's pretty hard, nay impossible for a 6mm caliber to dethrone a .243
223 with a 70gr speer would make a nice deer gun, but 243win is a varmint cartridge. Lmfao
I don't doubt your friends experience with the 260 vs the 243, but that 260 is pushing 25% more weight out the barrel and that will equate to more felt recoil. It also makes me wonder what bullets he was using in his 243 to get such drastic increases in performance for what should be very similar performing cartridges...
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I have a family member who uses a 243 for all his hunting of deer and black bear. If you dont load your own ammo 243 is so widely available you'll never have a problem feeding it at decent prices.
I would buy him/her a nice Remington pump in 243 and take it out and shoot some steel plates at varying distances and have some fun shooting it. Quick follow up shots from plate to plate will be fun and build confidence and skills.
Shooting it often with practice may make him a better shooter than you.
Young kids catch on fast and when it’s fun they will excel beyond most adults in no time.
Shooting it often with practice may make him a better shooter than you.
Young kids catch on fast and when it’s fun they will excel beyond most adults in no time.
The 6.5 is substantially better, do some research.
Great anecdotal post with nothing to back it up..... Where can I find unbiased places to do some research?.....
The gun manufacturers that are now producing this "new cartridge"?
The gun mag writers that cater to the above?.....
You made a statement.... Prove it...
No thanks, I have better things to do with my time,
Il let someone else do it
https://www.snipercountry.com/6-5-creedmoor-vs-243/
They are close but bigger diameter and heavier bullets make it a better big game caliber ...
So.... You don't want to do any research to make your point, yet you are more than comfortable making it and issuing a blanket statement?.....
Thanks for the arbitrary link to "sniper country" btw...... Just proves my point....
This is fairly straightforward. The Creed offers more options in bullet size than the 243, making it more versatile for hunting anything from yotes to moose.
My point?...... Didn't think I was trying to make one....
Arbitrary??? Lmao... it's a direct comparison 243 vs 6.5.
That's about as much effort as i am putting into it... I have nothing to prove to you .. i have already done my research and know the answer
Did you stutter when you said you said you didn't want to do the research or not?...... Pretty simple question....
