6.5 Creedmoor vs 243 for deer/coyotes?

Suther said:
Recoil is highly subjective. For some, the difference is enough to matter. When introducing kids to the sport, I err on the side of caution.

In a 7.5lb rifle:
308win (150gr @ 2800) = 15.8ft lbs
260rem (120@ 2860)=13 ft lbs
243win (100@ 2960)=8.8 ft lbs

Heavier 308 will recoil more, making the difference between 308 and the CM more significant but the 243 is always going to have notably less recoil unless you're using custom hand loads.
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So do you think a 100 grain 6.5 CM would have noticeably more recoil than a 100 grain 243?
 
Superbrad said:
I can't believe recoil is a thing in a 6.5 vs .243 thread...... Some of you guys must have calibrated shoulders....
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The thread is about a young shooter. Recoil can be a factor here. Recoil is also a factor, even with rounds like this, when you shoot more than 20 or 30 rounds at a sitting. I know it’s hard to believe, but some people shoot more rounds in a day than you might in a year.
 
chuck nelson said:
The thread is about a young shooter. Recoil can be a factor here. Recoil is also a factor, even with rounds like this, when you shoot more than 20 or 30 rounds at a sitting. I know it’s hard to believe, but some people shoot more rounds in a day than you might in a year.
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Good old chuck, cgn's answer to a question that nobody asked.....

I realize that it is for a young shooter..... But the "felt" recoil between the two is very minor..... Obviously the 6.5 would yield more with heavier bullets... There are ways around worrying about that recoil, including having the young shooter get familiar with the rifle with lower recoil loads then sighting it in with hunting loads for him/her for the hunt..... I can pretty much guarantee the young shooter wouldn't notice the difference when there is game involved....
 
chuck nelson said:
My kids shoot 100’s of rounds a year Brad. It’s called practice. Recoil matters. It is a consideration.
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So do mine chuck...... that may surprise you..... But, I will admit that most of them were at my camp and are 22lr....

My oldest (15) is now shooting my 223 easily and has shot my 243 without issue as well, because I have introduced him to recoil slowly..... That being said, I did make a mistake with him shooting a shotgun in 410 way too early.... That made him recoil shy..... (I bought him a boito hiker that I could shoot with one hand)..... My bad....
 
Although it might be a bit contrary to what's being suggested here by others I'm going to float this out there.
I started shooting with a 22 like most other kids and then graduated to a 12 gauge single shot shotgun and a steel butt Winchester 94.
All the cool kids had Lee Enfields with short stocks and brass "recoil pads"so at the ripe old age of 13 we were banging off surplus steel jacket 303's cause they were dirt cheap and plentiful back then.
Yes they all recoiled and some a whole lot worse than others.
There might just be some benefit to learning how to handle stout recoil early in ones shooting career so you know how to roll with the punches later on when you buy the first 338 or 375.
Just sayin is all.
 
Years ago I took a coworker to the range, the First shot of centerfire in his life was a 375 Ruger ;)

My five year old son shoots 9mm carbine, soon he will be shooting 6.5 Grendel with trail boss loads. Both are around 1.5 ft lbs of recoil energy. He loves it
 
My vote goes to 6.5 creed in a rifle that fits well. It has a bit less recoil than a 308, and there is a ton of excellent factory ammo out for it. A good recoil pad makes a world of difference.
I've never gotten on board with the 6mms, primarily due to relatively limited bullet selection.
I'm a huge fan of the 6.5 grendel. Way less recoil than a 6.5 creed, and more than adequate for deer out to 300y. Hornady black grendel ammunition is excellent, and I've managed to find it in a few places.
 
Sounds like there is a lot of doubt about the decision of 243 or 6.5 creedmoor. This isnt a new car that is going to drop to 1/5th its value after a few years of use. Buy an entry level 243, practice with it, and when it is time to move up, sell it used for 80% of the purchase value to another parent in the same situation you are now. Youth oriented 243s sell well. If shooting becomes enjoyable, you will spend more on ammo and gas than you would lose on the resale of a youth gun.
 
TT1900 said:
Says the guy insinuating that the performance numbers published by the manufacturers and gun media are incorrect and deceitful. Do you really think in this day and age that they wouldn’t be caught and called out? Why don’t you prove they’re wrong? Not that I really care; I’m going to shoot what works for me.

Can .243 work for Moose? Probably. Can .17HMR work for Coyote? Probably. Can you kill a moose with .17HMR? Yeah, probably. But I won’t be the one doing it.
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I think you are being very naive.... Manufacturers and gun writers have been in cahoots for a very long time.... Hence why so many don't like the .270.....;

Let me give you a simple challenge.... Buy one single box of factory ammo and look at the advertised velocity on the box..... Then try and replicate it.....
 
Superbrad said:
I think you are being very naive.... Manufacturers and gun writers have been in cahoots for a very long time.... Hence why so many don't like the .270.....;

Let me give you a simple challenge.... Buy one single box of factory ammo and look at the advertised velocity on the box..... Then try and replicate it.....
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Laughing!

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FACTORY AMMO CHUCK!!?!

Oh, the horror!



Interesting though, haven’t bought factory ammo for a minute or two, had no idea that putting the recipe on the box is a thing now. Wow.
 
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