6.5 Needmoor ~ Federal +Peak
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TheMinusHuman
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- Chilliwack BC
Youre comparing 20" barrel in 6.5+ to a .270 with a 24" barrel. The 6.5+ Should be better than a .270 when you look at it with equal sized barrels. But since the 6.5PRC is ballistically identical to a .270 (or so im told) the 6.5+ is a little faster than the 6.5PRC, and therefore should be better than a 270. In theory.
Funny thread…”hmm” funny more than “haha” funny; I think some people need to push away from the keyboard and decompress.
How all the keyboard Einstein’s (on both sides of the argument) didn’t get their venting out of their system when the 7BC was released eludes me.
So iI’ll drop my 2 cents and pile on, lol…
I think someone should be somewhat concerned with increasing pressure to this level on existing rifle designs, it’s a sign of self preservation and that’s a good thing.
That said this isn’t a case of trying it at home with familiar materials, materials that specifics to my knowledge are still closely guarded proprietary information…
So perhaps, just maybe, a manufacturer that operates in a massively litigious society manufacturing products that a portion of that society would like to prosecute them for, for any reason, might have done their due diligence to keep themselves out of chapter 11 or worse…just maybe…
And why is this thread focused on barrel life and throat erosion when we live in a time when we know and are comfortable with many semi-popular cartridges that exhibit highly limited barrel life…the consumer of this time has spoken with their wallets and enough of them just don’t care so it just isn’t a thing.
To you maybe but not the market.
When the 277 came out curiosity gave it a glance and when the 7BC came out I gave it some attention but ultimately wasn’t interested for several reasons most of which was buy in cost to play with it for no real case of need so no way to justify it.
But by the time it’s available to me, a consumer in a peripheral market, buying a different box of ammo for my existing rifle that offers increased performance is just that - a box of ammo.
Less than the cost of lunch out with the wife…
My concerns of a kaboom have already been squashed by what has already been done by others, my concerns over barrel life were squashed years ago when quantifying how much my hunting rifles are fired vs how many years I have left to hunt…if used just for hunting you would have to be fairly young to make this a thing.
My concerns would be accuracy and recoil followed by terminal performance.
Hand loading for my other rifles have shown in most cases that chasing maximum loads for velocity rarely provides the most accurate load, it’s not unusual to find a node a hundred or more FPS lower that really groups so while I’m intrigued with the advertised velocity it does nothing if it doesn’t group well in my gun with me behind it.
Also, if I reach my hand in the safe I have more than a few options and if I chose the 6.5CM over many of the others likely it would be due to its soft shooting nature. If this new tech ammo increases felt recoil and detracts from why I would be grabbing it in the first place then why wouldn’t I just grab another option?
So two out of three concerns can be quantified on the bench for the cost of a box of ammo and I’m in for than.
Like I said, less than the cost of lunch.
How all the keyboard Einstein’s (on both sides of the argument) didn’t get their venting out of their system when the 7BC was released eludes me.
So iI’ll drop my 2 cents and pile on, lol…
I think someone should be somewhat concerned with increasing pressure to this level on existing rifle designs, it’s a sign of self preservation and that’s a good thing.
That said this isn’t a case of trying it at home with familiar materials, materials that specifics to my knowledge are still closely guarded proprietary information…
So perhaps, just maybe, a manufacturer that operates in a massively litigious society manufacturing products that a portion of that society would like to prosecute them for, for any reason, might have done their due diligence to keep themselves out of chapter 11 or worse…just maybe…
And why is this thread focused on barrel life and throat erosion when we live in a time when we know and are comfortable with many semi-popular cartridges that exhibit highly limited barrel life…the consumer of this time has spoken with their wallets and enough of them just don’t care so it just isn’t a thing.
To you maybe but not the market.
When the 277 came out curiosity gave it a glance and when the 7BC came out I gave it some attention but ultimately wasn’t interested for several reasons most of which was buy in cost to play with it for no real case of need so no way to justify it.
But by the time it’s available to me, a consumer in a peripheral market, buying a different box of ammo for my existing rifle that offers increased performance is just that - a box of ammo.
Less than the cost of lunch out with the wife…
My concerns of a kaboom have already been squashed by what has already been done by others, my concerns over barrel life were squashed years ago when quantifying how much my hunting rifles are fired vs how many years I have left to hunt…if used just for hunting you would have to be fairly young to make this a thing.
My concerns would be accuracy and recoil followed by terminal performance.
Hand loading for my other rifles have shown in most cases that chasing maximum loads for velocity rarely provides the most accurate load, it’s not unusual to find a node a hundred or more FPS lower that really groups so while I’m intrigued with the advertised velocity it does nothing if it doesn’t group well in my gun with me behind it.
Also, if I reach my hand in the safe I have more than a few options and if I chose the 6.5CM over many of the others likely it would be due to its soft shooting nature. If this new tech ammo increases felt recoil and detracts from why I would be grabbing it in the first place then why wouldn’t I just grab another option?
So two out of three concerns can be quantified on the bench for the cost of a box of ammo and I’m in for than.
Like I said, less than the cost of lunch.
With all things staying the same, a 200 fps increase in speed yields less than 2 ft.lbf of felt recoil.
Some good points in this thread, and a lot of points that are so far out to the aforementioned lunch, that it is concerning. The lack of knowledge is quite appalling, actually.
No dog in this fight, other than folks need to know about what they are talking about, before typing it out…
R.
Some good points in this thread, and a lot of points that are so far out to the aforementioned lunch, that it is concerning. The lack of knowledge is quite appalling, actually.
No dog in this fight, other than folks need to know about what they are talking about, before typing it out…
R.
I didn't wait for technology to catch-up with velocity. Years ago I had rifles built with 27" barrels, which resulted with hyper velocity. My fourth rifle is almost complete with another 27" barrel, a 25-06 Remington.
There are lots of way to make more speed, most of which seems to be beyond the grasp of quite a few of the folks posting on this thread.
A 27” barrelled rifle may work well for you and where and how you hunt, but others would find it cumbersome. There are plenty of ways to get desired velocity other than increasing barrel length.
R.
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Horsepower sells cars. Do you think anyone is buying a Hellcat because Dodge makes a quality product?
Now imagine you can turn your Neon into a Hellcat just by putting different gas in it...
Absolutely. I'd take the inferior ballistics over a long barrel every single time. I like a 18-20" barrel, and I'll gladly take the hit to velocity to have it. I don't really care for 6.5CM, but if I could get 3000fps with a 175/180gr bullet out of a 20" 30-06 this technology would be far more interesting to me.
The horsepower thing is spot on. And so is the Dodge thing!
You can get 175/180 bullets out a 20" barrel 30-06... by opening up the bolt face and running a 300WM reamer into the barrel.
R.
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Yes, I'm aware that gunpowder, bullets and now cartridge cases, other than brass has advanced. Handloading technics will also increase velocities, accompanied with a 27" barrel. With a custom rifle, accuracy is guaranteed. I do alot of walking with my 9.5 pound rifles, it's a sacrafice however, there is great confidence when I shoulder my rifles.................to each they're own.
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cptseawolf
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The horsepower thing is spot on. And so is the Dodge thing!
Hey hey hey.
I've had this girl 10 years. She still F's hard. Lol
And the 30-06 too
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Apparently Federal sealed a deal with the U.S. military to provide peak ammo for all current service rifles. They mention it in one of those videos.
So the peak train is rolling now. Cheers
So the peak train is rolling now. Cheers
Any of the cartridges listed on this page can be made to perform better. Significantly better. Tight chambers, really good brass, increased case capacity, good powders, bullet coatings, and some free bore. No need for longer barrels. Best part is, none of this stuff is new, and has been around for some time. Some guy named Roy even built a company using some of these techniques.
R.
R.
Now THAT is a cartridge I would buy! 6.5 doesn't really interest me but a short action 338 that bests the 338-06 would be the perfect addition to the collection.
its just hi pressure faster bullet speed ammo - no big deal - just dial up a few more clicks or hold over a bit more ! there Easy Peasy !
cheaper and easier to do !
cheaper and easier to do !
That would be a 338 SAUM or a 338 WSM
Both available today.
These are the good old days. Most everything can be had.
R.
