6.8 for grizzly

MTM said:
Why is it considered cool to take critters with the smallest possible gun? Just a question, lets not get pissy.
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The pic below is from this spring I am out black bear hunting the 2 rifles on the quad are a Robinson Arms XCR-L in 6.8spc and the other is my 21" Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM...

If an opportunity to take a nice black bear with the 6.8spc presented itself I would have taken it if the shot was longer I had the 375RUM...

I use the XCR-L because I legally can and the 6.8spc is the most lethal round available for it...

I can also place my 6.8mm 95gr TTSX more accurately @ 350 yards than most can @ 200 yards with their mighty guns.

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Camp Cook said:
Actually the 6.8 is very similar in power/energy to a 30-30 just has a faster/lighter bullet I'm thinking that over the years there have been many grizzlies that have been killed with a 30-30...
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I agree, but there is a difference between "hunting" and and "stopping" cartridges. You can hunt a griz with a 30.30, but could you stop one in full charge? Would you bet your life on it?
 
Ahhh yes the brain shot. Could be a little pucker facter invovled in that one. I like to use enough gun that a hind paw shot is a sure killer.
 
Gatehouse said:
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Okay,
With a bear facing you like that, where do you shoot it? You can't get a decent shot to the heart/lungs because the head is so huge. I've been told a shot between the eyes / top of the forehead will likely deflect [even from a .44 mag at close range] because the skull is so thick and sloped. I've also been told a shot to the eye isn't a great shot either because there is thick bone that curls over and behind the ocular socket, so it will likely blind the bear, but not kill it [make it real pissed, though].

So, angry bear facing you like the one in the pic, where do you aim [assuming you are able to keep ahold of yourself and actually aim]?
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Huntin' Gun said:
Okay,
With a bear facing you like that, where do you shoot it? You can't get a decent shot to the heart/lungs because the head is so huge. I've been told a shot between the eyes / top of the forehead will likely deflect [even from a .44 mag at close range] because the skull is so thick and sloped. I've also been told a shot to the eye isn't a great shot either because there is thick bone that curls over and behind the ocular socket, so it will likely blind the bear, but not kill it [make it real pissed, though].

So, angry bear facing you like the one in the pic, where do you aim [assuming you are able to keep ahold of yourself and actually aim]?
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I've heard the place to shoot it is the shoulder if it's charging as a decent shoulder hit will cause him to roll allowing for better shot opportunities.
However i doubt the skull would deflect a 400 grain cast bullet from a 45/70, or even a 350 grain going 2000 fps from a 444. i have a hard time buying the deflection theory for large heavy bullets.
 
Huntin' Gun said:
Okay,
With a bear facing you like that, where do you shoot it? You can't get a decent shot to the heart/lungs because the head is so huge. I've been told a shot between the eyes / top of the forehead will likely deflect [even from a .44 mag at close range] because the skull is so thick and sloped. I've also been told a shot to the eye isn't a great shot either because there is thick bone that curls over and behind the ocular socket, so it will likely blind the bear, but not kill it [make it real pissed, though].

So, angry bear facing you like the one in the pic, where do you aim [assuming you are able to keep ahold of yourself and actually aim]?
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Here is a pic of a grizzly skull that is very close in size to that bear in the pic it is appr 24" I would aim between the eyes and you can see why shooting it in an eye would not slow it down much because you would only be hitting meat.

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I would also aim above the head into the neck/shoulder blades.

Just remember when a bear is in a full charge its head is moving up/down/sideways so it isn't an easy target to hit and many bear attacks are not running charges.

30 years ago when I first started practicing bear defense shooting (shucks I've been practicing this longer than my hero has been alive... :p) I read a magazine article on one way to practice stopping a charge.

Set a grapefruit on a stump, stand 20 yards away with your back to the grapefruit have your rifle slung onto your shoulder and you partner time you when the beep goes off spin around as fast as you can shoulder your rifle and shoot the grapefruit.

It stated that if you can't do this in 2 seconds or less the bear will already be on you.
 
Gatehouse said:
In that exact pose, I'd aim 1" above the middle of the eyes,.
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Yes, that's what I would do as well.

As for deflection off skulls it does happen, but only at lower angles. My father shot a bull moose right between the eyes with a 300gr Silvertip from a 375 H&H at thirty feet and the round dug a little divet out of the animal's face about the size of a pinky fingerprint, maybe 3mm deep, and deflected off harmlessly. I think my dad was more suprised than Mr Moose. The next round through the front shoulders was much more effective...

The bear in that picture would fall to a proper headshot immediately.
 
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