7mm Rem Mag vs. 270 Win.

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What do you think of my handle then????

Who cares, I got a Gibbs 505 Rimless magnum because I wanted to. End of story.

Gatehouse got his because he (insert reason).

And you can shoot whatever you want, so long as it is legal and within reason for the game that you are hunting!
 
350 Mag said:
[QJudging by your Avatar...your OVER-Gunned.

You do NOT need that .375 Ruger for ANYTHING in B.C.

A 30-06, 8mm-06., .35 Whelen, or .375 Hawk would be plenty for all game in B.C.
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Most of the time, you are correct. However, some times having a cartridge with the ballistics of a .375 H&H in a nice trim package can be a comforting thing, especially if hunting coastal grizzly bears.:)

A .375 Ruger/H&H/Weatherby/RUM is a far better "stopping" cartridge than a 30-06 class cartridge.


So WHY do you have the .375 Ruger anyways...there HAS to be a reason???
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As above, the .375 Ruger Alaskan offers some extra measure for big bears. It would be great for moose at any sane range. It comes in a nice trim handy package (The Alaskan). I At some point I will want to hunt buffalo in Africa, and a .375 is required.

But most important, is that it is appealing to me, regardless of the paper ballistics.... That's all that matters...;)






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Now, are you going to answer this?

Please tell us: What do you think that extra 500 ft/lbs of energy is going to do to a moose at 150 yards? Knock it over?
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350 Mag said:
Not really...

Trying to prove a point...

There is a difference between the .270 and 7mm Rem Mag.

The 7mm has +500 ft. lbs of energy at the muzzle.

If the .270 Win.(based on 30-06) is equal to the task of taking Alaska-Yukon Moose and Grizzly then using that SAME theory that SOOOOO MANY on here subscribe to ANY cartridge over and above 30-06 case capacity offers NOTHING to the hunter, other than a BIG BANG and more recoil.

So all the guys out there with 7mm Mags, 300 Win Mags, 7mm STWs, Weatherbys Mags, Dakota Mags, Lazzeroni Mags, RUM, 350 Mags etc. etc etc. are OVER-GUNNED!
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Yup, you're way smarter then the rest of us. Why, if it weren't for advertising and gunwriters, none of us would know anything about firearms, hunting, or ballistics at all. Thanks for clearing that all up for us, We really needed your help. You have a good life now, and please, really, really enjoy your 270. - dan;)
 
MagnumPeanut said:
So...whats going on in here guys?
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I was told that there isn't a difference between the .270 vs. 7mm when it comes to ANY game animal. That the 7mm Rem Mag has NO advantage in stopping or KILLING power.

So....

So MANY agreed with this theory. But the guys agreeing with it are shooting .375 Rugers and other Magnums.

I came to the conclusion that if so many are saying the .270 is fine for ALL Medium to Large BIG game animals(including Grizzly) that ANYTHING above 30-06 case capacity is OVER-KILL.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

The .35 Whelen or .375 Hawk(both 30-06) wildcats will be PLENTY for ANY game animal on the North American Continent.

ANY thing more is just over-kill as the animal being shot is NOT going to tell the difference.

Same way 7mm Rem Mag is just OVER-KILL when compared to the .270.


So all the guys out there with 300 Win mags, 338 Win Mags, Weatherbys, Dakotas, STWs, .375 Rugers, WSM, RUM, are all OVER-gunned.

Unless of course I am wrong and there is an advantage to magnum cartridges?

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350 Mag said:
The 7mm STW is WORSE off than the 7mm Rem Mag.

Pretty much a USE-LESS cartridge with no real world advantage over the7mm Rem Mag, 7mm Weatherby or .280 Ackley Improved.

Unless you want to burn 25% more powder for a 100 f.p.s advantage???:runaway:
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So you're the guy who wrote that article .......

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammunition/cartridges_without/

Craig is that you ?


You're right, we should all use a 30.06 for fear of burning too much powder or being over gunned (whatever that hell that means).......
 
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The .375 Ruger isn't a magnum.

Nowhere does Ruger or Hornady refer to it as a "magnum"

However, the .22 Winchester MAgnum is a magnum.

Since it is labeled "magnum" it is a far better killer than the .270 Winchester.

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Oh, since you're pulling paper numbers out of your ..................












......... manual, I decided to do the same. :wave:


My Hornady manual puts a 270 (24" bbl) with a 150gr bullet @ 2900fps and the 7Mag (24"bbl) 154gr bullet @ 3000fps. My math says that this magnum gives me a whopping increase of 100fps and a heavier bullet by a whole 4grains over my 270, but I'll have to use about 10% more powder to get it. WOW! :runaway:


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Gatehouse said:
The .375 Ruger isn't a magnum.

Nowhere does Ruger or Hornady refer to it as a "magnum"

However, the .22 Winchester MAgnum is a magnum.

Since it is labeled "magnum" it is a far better killer than the .270 Winchester.

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It exceeds the .375 H&H....in a shorter barrel....so you could call it a SUPER DUPER MAGNUM....kinda like a .378 Weatherby in 30-06 length action.:dancingbanana:

It is still OVER-KILL by some peoples standards...but NOT mine.:D

As long as the bullet goes where it is aimed.;)
 
SuperCub said:
Oh, since you're pulling paper numbers out of your ..................












......... manual, I decided to do the same. :wave:


My Hornady manual puts a 270 (24" bbl) with a 150gr bullet @ 2900fps and the 7Mag (24"bbl) 154gr bullet @ 3000fps. My math says that this magnum gives me a whopping increase of 100fps and a heavier bullet by a whole 4grains over my 270, but I'll have to use about 10% more powder to get it. WOW! :runaway:


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I have a 7mm-700 Nitro on order....when it gets here I will post some numbers....should be around 5000 fps with 160gr. Good for Elk and Moose out to 2 miles....I expect the barrel to be burnt out after 1 season.
 
why is this so difficult. The two cartridges are very similar ballisticly, both are capable to kill anything in Canada. The 7mm Rem Mag shoots a bit faster, because it burns more powder and is often chambered in rifles with longer barrels. On game performance between the two should be nearly identical given bullets that expand/penetrate the same. The 7mm RM drops a bit less past 300 yards because it is a bit faster.

A 175 gr 7mm bullet @ 2900 fps *is* more gun than a 160 gr 270 bullet @ 2800 fps, but it does not turn the 7mm Remington Magnum into some sort of elephant gun

If I had the choice between the two I would go with the 270. A 140 gr Barnes TSX @ 2950 fps is fully capable of doing anything you'd point a 7mm RM at with a 150 gr @ 3100 fps, with slightly less recoil and a bit lighter gun. And I owned a 7mm Rem Mag as my main rifle for about six years and killed at least 18 big game animals with it in that time, it is a very effective cartridge

Impact energy is a bad way to compare cartridges as it does not take into effect bullet contruction, bullet placement, etc
 
todbartell said:
why is this so difficult. The two cartridges are very similar ballisticly, both are capable to kill anything in Canada. The 7mm Rem Mag shoots a bit faster, because it burns more powder and is often chambered in rifles with longer barrels. On game performance between the two should be nearly identical given bullets that expand/penetrate the same. The 7mm RM drops a bit less past 300 yards because it is a bit faster.

A 175 gr 7mm bullet @ 2900 fps *is* more gun than a 160 gr 270 bullet @ 2800 fps, but it does not turn the 7mm Remington Magnum into some sort of elephant gun

If I had the choice between the two I would go with the 270. A 140 gr Barnes TSX @ 2950 fps is fully capable of doing anything you'd point a 7mm RM at with a 150 gr @ 3100 fps, with slightly less recoil and a bit lighter gun. And I owned a 7mm Rem Mag as my main rifle for about six years and killed at least 18 big game animals with it in that time, it is a very effective cartridge

Impact energy is a bad way to compare cartridges as it does not take into effect bullet contruction, bullet placement, etc
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It is NOT difficult...

The difficult part I have is the guys that agree with your line of thinking...but suddenly DISAGREE when you compare a 35 Whelen to their 375 uber magnum....

Using that logic, like others have stated here, ANY cartridge over and above 30-06 case capacity is OVER-KILL and NOT neccesary unless your going for Cape Buffalo in Africa.

35 Whelen or .350 Rem Mag(which is based on mag case but shortened and has about same capacity as 30-06) would be more than enough for ALL Big game in N.A....anything else is just overkill and provides no ADVANTAGE and will not kill game any quicker.
 
I picked the 270 out as my favourite large game gun years ago for 2 reasons.

1. I'm a recoil pansy.:sniper:
2. The reason back in the day that everyone wanted the big bores was that by the time the bullet hit the animal is 180 grains is now 120 grains. Now to move that bullet at the 3000 fps we need to make is a 300 magnum. Nowadays we can make a ballistic coefficient bullet that ways 130 grains that stay together even thru the animal and still push it at 3000+ fsp at 1/2 the recoil and call it a .270.

Every deer I've seen take with a magnum is a mess. Too mush wasted meat, big holes, overkill. Many, many moose fall every year to 270 WIN. You can kill a moose with an arrow BTW.

This year I bought a 243 that I have loaded for deer and coyote with a good bullet. I wouldn't recommend that everyone use a super light cal, but I'm a good shot and an experienced hunter an know I can take down a deer cleanly even with the small bullet.



.270 WIN FTW!!!11
 
350 Mag said:
It is NOT difficult...

The difficult part I have is the guys that agree with your line of thinking...but suddenly DISAGREE when you compare a 35 Whelen to their 375 uber magnum....

Using that logic, like others have stated here, ANY cartridge over and above 30-06 case capacity is OVER-KILL and NOT neccesary unless your going for Cape Buffalo in Africa.

35 Whelen or .350 Rem Mag(which is based on mag case but shortened and has about same capacity as 30-06) would be more than enough for ALL Big game in N.A....anything else is just overkill and provides no ADVANTAGE and will not kill game any quicker.
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Actually, you are the one hung up on OVER KILL and being OVER GUNNED....

The rest of us just say that the 7mm RM and the .270 Winchester are pretty close in performance, and, given the same bullets, they are equally adequate or inadequate when used for large animals such as grizzlies and moose.

Your 35 Whelen argument is a red herring you chucked in to muddy the waters. It will kill everything in North America, too. I doubt it shoots as flat as the .270, 7mmRM or .375 Ruger, so that may be a consideration- or it may not- depending on your hunting/shooting needs.

And you still havent' told us what you think that extra 500 ft/lbs is going to do to a moose....
 
and you still havent' told us what you think that extra 500 ft/lbs is going to do to a moose....

LOL! hey Gatehouse its going to hit with an extra 500 foot pounds which will launch that sucker clear across the pond making it even harder to get him out! Hell I had go to the ministry and get a tree cutting permit. Was hit so hard with a magnum it blew him into the trees!

see its simple a moose weights about 700-1200 lbs you have to be careful to use a cartridge that does not exceed the wieght in foot lbs or you will never find him!
 
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