7mm08 and elk
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RickF said:NO! Ken Waters, among others, came up with it a good 30 years before Jim Carmichel wrote it up in Outdoor Life as 'his" invention and hoped no one would notice.Waters coined the name "263 Express" or something like that. It's been popular in silhouette shooting for a very long time, long before Carmichel wrote about it.
Yup, I lost any respect for Jamison and Carmichal after I read the B.S. on "there"
development of and cartridges (260Rem and the shortmags, respectfully)!
The .308 had been necked to .260 by the Sihouette guys AND the 3000 meter free rifle shooters long before Carmichel was writing believe, and as far as Jamison goes, well that's just CRAP!!
Elk?
I have many friends who hunt with only one rifle, be it a 30/30, 45/70, 44/40, .308, 257 Roberts, 6.5X55, 7x57, ETC.
All have shot elk with them with no problem.
I know of no one personally however, who has killed one with a 7/08 so I guess it's no good??!!
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I just gotta ask, is it composite ribs, special angled lungs, a padded heart?????
To help out , its not tougher, its smaller , the vitals are smaller of a target area, thats all, anyone think that the elk has special plating, more will to live than a moose
The 7/08 is comparable to many older cartridges that have been used on elks, mooses ond other heavy games for longer than most of us have been on the face of the earth.gitrdun said:
The 6.5x55, 7x57, 8x57, 303British are a few of these calibers that come to mind that when used with proper bullets at proper ranges, have done and will do the job with for many years after we are gone off this earth. Given the choice, I would use my 35Whelen on elk or moose, but WOULD NOT feel undergunned any one bit with any of the aforementioned cartridges.
I don't need friends who always seem to fit or need to be an elk hunting guru to know that.
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Just thought I would put in my two cents! My dad and I got drawn for elk in 2005. He had a two point bull elk come in. It was standing broadside eating at 373 yards ( I scoped it with the range finder after). He took one shot with his 270 winchester using 150 grain federal premium boat tail soft points. The thing folded. He was good eating. The point I am trying to make is if you are confident about your gun, ammo and bullet placement your run of the mill deer rifle should work! Good luck!
Just thought I would put in my two cents! My dad and I got drawn for elk in 2005. He had a two point bull elk come in. It was standing broadside eating at 373 yards ( I scoped it with the range finder after). He took one shot with his 270 winchester using 150 grain federal premium boat tail soft points. The thing folded. He was good eating. The point I am trying to make is if you are confident about your gun, ammo and bullet placement your run of the mill deer rifle should work! Good luck!
gitrdun said:
1967: 13,342 Elk were killed in Wyoming with the 30 WCF (14,302 in Montana the same year).
1968: 12,877 Elk were killed in Wyoming(another 13,894 in Montana ) with the 30 WCF
1972-1977 saw less than 20,000 elk killed in the two states combined for the entire 6 seasons with the 30 WCF, but equal numbers are reported to have escaped after what appeared to be solid hits with the 30-30 Win.
skip ahead 25 years
2002: A study by the Montana chapter of RMEF found only a few dozen bulls (27 to be exact) were killed that year with the 30-30 Win... and required multiple shots.
After serious study, the State's leading biologists have determined that not only are the bulls' hide getting thicker, but also their ribs seems to be growing closer together (some even had overlapping rib bones).
Furthermore, a growing number of bulls were observed preening (licking) their ribs, which upon further study showed a secretion from a nasal gland (which actually contains chemicals used in Kevlar).
This study concluded that elk have been evolving into more robust critters as a direct result of hunting pressure over the past century.
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I like that one
But you know these stats on 30-30 multi hits required, they say the shots looked good, right , keep up the good work.Hows an 8 x8 typical measuring 388'' gross , old bull , must have lost all its shielding
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I'm at work right now, but I'll definetely be back to continue this discussion fellows.
But Levi, I tip my hat off to you SIR, I've hunted elk for 40 years. Been successful at least every two or three (so I'm not an expert, just a regular Joe). But I have NEVER taken an 8 x 8 nor EVER seen one. I have never taken anything that score 388. The Boone & Crocket minimum awards is 360. I imagine that if I shot something that impressive, I would have it scored and get my name in the books, probably as you have ... right? An impressive bull of that magnitude would certainly be worthy of photo records along with the lucky hunter...right? I'll be looking up that monster in the record book....what did you shoot him with, a .22 mag.
But Levi, I tip my hat off to you SIR, I've hunted elk for 40 years. Been successful at least every two or three (so I'm not an expert, just a regular Joe). But I have NEVER taken an 8 x 8 nor EVER seen one. I have never taken anything that score 388. The Boone & Crocket minimum awards is 360. I imagine that if I shot something that impressive, I would have it scored and get my name in the books, probably as you have ... right? An impressive bull of that magnitude would certainly be worthy of photo records along with the lucky hunter...right? I'll be looking up that monster in the record book....what did you shoot him with, a .22 mag.
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Just checked in the basement, 8 pointer western count Pics will be available for a small fee
Record books are for insecure American hunters that want to be cool around their friends.
western count Pics will be available for a small fee Record books are for insecure American hunters that want to be cool around their friends.
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7-08
The 7-8 will do the job as will a host of other calibers but given a choice I would rather use my .338 than my 7x57 for elk. But if all I had was the 7-08 or the 7x57 I wouldn't pass up a 200 yard broadside on an elk.
In reality there are a lot of calibers that will take an elk or moose given proper placement and enough energy to make it into the vitals. Of course with a smaller cartridge the distance to the intended game should be closed.
The 7-8 will do the job as will a host of other calibers but given a choice I would rather use my .338 than my 7x57 for elk. But if all I had was the 7-08 or the 7x57 I wouldn't pass up a 200 yard broadside on an elk.
In reality there are a lot of calibers that will take an elk or moose given proper placement and enough energy to make it into the vitals. Of course with a smaller cartridge the distance to the intended game should be closed.
And U know what 303Carbine? I totally agree with you. I started out saying that the 7-08 was a fine caliber, capable of taking an elk. But you see, the point is that a younger hunter who has even admitted to NEVER have taken an elk before asked whether the 7-08 was a good choice. Being his first opportunity and being that elk often only present opportunities at longer range, I feel that say ... your .338 is more suitable particularly if you don't want to put on the extra miles looking for it. I merely wanted to point out to Powder that although he could do it in ideal conditions, bigger is better.
Levi: hahaha - a small fee to see your elk pictures in the basement LOL - just as I thaught. I gotta wipe the tears from my eyes. A freaking 8 pointer and it's in the basement and not in the book, not on the wall. Waaaky Waaaky, the alarm clock just went off.
Levi: hahaha - a small fee to see your elk pictures in the basement LOL - just as I thaught. I gotta wipe the tears from my eyes. A freaking 8 pointer and it's in the basement and not in the book, not on the wall. Waaaky Waaaky, the alarm clock just went off.
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Not to take this hijack too far, but I have a goat and a caribou that have both been scored by the official Boone and Crockett rep here in Whitehorse. Although both score well up into the book, the goat would be #18, I have never entered them.
I know of a couple of other guys up here who have trophies they have never entered.
Ted
I know of a couple of other guys up here who have trophies they have never entered.
Ted
The 7-08 is certainly capable of killing an elk and I would hunt them with tha calibre (and the 260 TOD) using a really good bullet such as a TSX or partition.
However I have to somewhat agree with gitrdun, it is an adequate calibre, no more. For game the size of Elk or Moose or Kudu or Red Deer I would take the gun with the most power I am capable of shooting well where recoil doesn't affect my ability to stick a TSX where it needs to go. For me thats a 300 Win Mag, any bigger and I just don't enjoy it as much. In my experience, TSX bullets like being driven fast and a larger case does that better than a 7-08(or 308 or 260 etc).
Buy your 7-08, you will kill 10 deer for every elk you get to shoot then shoot the elk twice but no texas heart shots.
However I have to somewhat agree with gitrdun, it is an adequate calibre, no more. For game the size of Elk or Moose or Kudu or Red Deer I would take the gun with the most power I am capable of shooting well where recoil doesn't affect my ability to stick a TSX where it needs to go. For me thats a 300 Win Mag, any bigger and I just don't enjoy it as much. In my experience, TSX bullets like being driven fast and a larger case does that better than a 7-08(or 308 or 260 etc).
Buy your 7-08, you will kill 10 deer for every elk you get to shoot then shoot the elk twice but no texas heart shots.
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I like to reverse the logic , and come at it from a different angle. Not the gun, the cartridge, the bullet (yet) .
First I look at the game , what is it, where do I get to shoot it, what time or times of year, and how close a shot will I get , knowing where I will be going , we should know that right? And then its easy , take enough gun ! If you got it, if you don't , figure out where the firearm you have will work.
Then you just use a bullet that works at the velocity remaining @ impact
Don't be worried about the last part, as ammo makers are hunters
First I look at the game , what is it, where do I get to shoot it, what time or times of year, and how close a shot will I get , knowing where I will be going , we should know that right?
And then its easy , take enough gun ! If you got it, if you don't , figure out where the firearm you have will work. Then you just use a bullet that works at the velocity remaining @ impact
Don't be worried about the last part, as ammo makers are hunters
But when you've been here since august 06, most of you guys are just names, and for some reason, he seemsto think that your bull####ting...
Stick around for a few years Git r Done, get to know who your talking too, and you'll know that Levi aint ####ting, (and most of the other long serving members)
It gets boring pacifying noobs
Stick around for a few years Git r Done, get to know who your talking too, and you'll know that Levi aint ####ting, (and most of the other long serving members)
It gets boring pacifying noobs
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well the reason for the basement is that I 'am in the process of moving out of this wonderful part of the world, how I'm gonna miss this place Anyway everything is in kinda semi stored. Hope to get a camera back from those criminal kids of mine , and take a pic.
