You see I am dreaming of 6 inch patterns at 35 meters ..... I guess I would need to see a picture of your group and in oder to believe this .....
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You see I am dreaming of 6 inch patterns at 35 meters ..... I guess I would need to see a picture of your group and in oder to believe this .....
I hope you are not disappointed if I don't take your word on that one without further details .....
I'm really not sure.
Vang Comp ports the barrel for recoil mitigation (shotguns don't bother me...rather, 2.75" shotgun loads don't bother me.
) They thread barrels for choke tubes, and the reverse cut the forcing cone of the chamber. My understanding is that flight control works very well without a choke or Cylinder Bore, said another way. So, the only real benefit would be the forcing cone extension and I'm just not convinced there is going to be return on that investment?
If a shotgun is capable of 4-6" patterns at 25 meters, I want that gun! I'm only consoled that I can plunk in a slug and get a 1" pattern at 25 metres.
As Faustus insinuates, I'll take them out again at 7 or 10 yards and make some fist sized holes...but the bloody flyer is a thing! 8 pellet flitecontrol, no longer available, is what is needed.
Painkillers, why are flyers an issue? What are you intending to use this ammo for?
If it is home defense .... lets be realistic ..... what is the longest distance in your home that you have a clear sight to shoot?
10 meters? 15 meters? 20 meters?
My suggestion ..... pattern your guns at that distance ..... and I am pretty sure the pattern is tight enough .... even with "flyers" .... if there are any.
p.s.: I don't see flyers in your patterns of the Flightcontrol ammo ..... I just see patterns. But if I wanted or needed to find flyers .... I am sure I could point them out.
p.s.s: Nobody has defined what a flyer is .... and how you would measure it .... I mean scientifically you would measure the distance of all impact holes .... calculate an average .... determine the standard deviation ..... and determine threshold of what a flyer would be ... and determine the impacts that deviate from that threshold.
I wish we had that 8 pellet load available for testing here in Canada ..... because statistically I am convinced that it would not perform differently than the 9 pellet loads. But that is just my opinion ..... Unfortunately we have no way of testing this without that ammo being available .....
If it is home defense .... lets be realistic ..... what is the longest distance in your home that you have a clear sight to shoot?
10 meters? 15 meters? 20 meters?
My suggestion ..... pattern your guns at that distance ..... and I am pretty sure the pattern is tight enough .... even with "flyers" .... if there are any.
p.s.: I don't see flyers in your patterns of the Flightcontrol ammo ..... I just see patterns. But if I wanted or needed to find flyers .... I am sure I could point them out.
p.s.s: Nobody has defined what a flyer is .... and how you would measure it .... I mean scientifically you would measure the distance of all impact holes .... calculate an average .... determine the standard deviation ..... and determine threshold of what a flyer would be ... and determine the impacts that deviate from that threshold.
I wish we had that 8 pellet load available for testing here in Canada ..... because statistically I am convinced that it would not perform differently than the 9 pellet loads. But that is just my opinion ..... Unfortunately we have no way of testing this without that ammo being available .....
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No, not home defence. My problem is, those rounds are unaccounted for. I assume they missed the target by inches or fractions of an inch...but I don't know. When I shoot something, I need to know where all pellets are going, not most of them.Painkillers, why are flyers an issue? What are you intending to use this ammo for?
If it is home defense .... lets be realistic ..... what is the longest distance in your home that you have a clear sight to shoot?
10 meters? 15 meters? 20 meters?
My suggestion ..... pattern your guns at that distance ..... and I am pretty sure the pattern is tight enough .... even with "flyers" .... if there are any.
p.s.: I don't see flyers in your patterns of the Flightcontrol ammo ..... I just see patterns. But if I wanted or needed to find flyers .... I am sure I could point them out.
p.s.s: Nobody has defined what a flyer is .... and how you would measure it .... I mean scientifically you would measure the distance of all impact holes .... calculate an average .... determine the standard deviation ..... and determine threshold of what a flyer would be ... and determine the impacts that deviate from that threshold.
I wish we had that 8 pellet load available for testing here in Canada ..... because statistically I am convinced that it would not perform differently than the 9 pellet loads. But that is just my opinion ..... Unfortunately we have no way of testing this without that ammo being available .....
Flyers are a thing. I'm convinced of it, and cannot be swayed. I've seen it. It's a thing.
Well, you could open the crimp of a couple of those shells ..... remove a pellet .... substitute with buffer .... re-crimp the shell .... and then test the pattern.
According to you this should improve the patterns significantly, and you should see the difference on the patterning board.
According to you this should improve the patterns significantly, and you should see the difference on the patterning board.
Now I don't believe so. Vang Comp advertises a 10-12" spread at 25 yards (23 metres), which is arguably what I'm getting. I say arguably because some flyers were outside 4" left or right, or 5.5" up or down (as my poa is center of an 8x11" sheet).
I was expecting fist sized with a flyer with the 9 pellet. What I got was kinda all over the place, but within 8x11...with some flyers.
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I'd need to restack all the pellets, not just remove one, and if I'm going to do that, I'd just reload my own hulls. Going back to my original question, I was looking for a source to buy 8 pellet shells, not reloading my own.
plenty of places have Remington 8 pellet 00 buck for sale.
There's 000 buck 8 pellet loads as well
I've tried them and flightcontrol 9 pellet gave me better patterns
The diameter of the bore made a difference in what I've found. The tighter the bore the better flight control did with the exception of my 1301 comp. It throws very even patterns
Hand spread size at 20 yards and I use the faster 00 buck load
As for cheaper buck shot from challenger and seller and beliot and estate I'd bet I could have a tighter pattern firing each pellet at the target with a slingshot after a half a bottle of bookers bourbon
There's 000 buck 8 pellet loads as well
I've tried them and flightcontrol 9 pellet gave me better patterns
The diameter of the bore made a difference in what I've found. The tighter the bore the better flight control did with the exception of my 1301 comp. It throws very even patterns
Hand spread size at 20 yards and I use the faster 00 buck load
As for cheaper buck shot from challenger and seller and beliot and estate I'd bet I could have a tighter pattern firing each pellet at the target with a slingshot after a half a bottle of bookers bourbon
Sellier & Bellot 9 pellet unbuffered 00 buckshot was the first buckshot round I ever tested.
The pattern was awful .... I believe the worst buckshot pattern I ever got from a buckshot round .... Pattern was shot with a Benelli Nova .... I believe it had a fixed Improved Cylinder choke .... and at 20 meters ....
The pattern was awful .... I believe the worst buckshot pattern I ever got from a buckshot round .... Pattern was shot with a Benelli Nova .... I believe it had a fixed Improved Cylinder choke .... and at 20 meters ....
My buddy shot a small deer with buffalo bore eatate 00buck at 15 yards broad side. I watched the shot over his shoulder. Only 1 pellet hit the deer in the shoulder. It took off running until it caught my slug. The pellet flattened and only penetrative about 3/4" worst load I've ever seenSellier & Bellot 9 pellet unbuffered 00 buckshot was the first buckshot round I ever tested.
The pattern was awful .... I believe the worst buckshot pattern I ever got from a buckshot round .... Pattern was shot with a Benelli Nova .... I believe it had a fixed Improved Cylinder choke .... and at 20 meters ....
a flyer is a pellet that is significantly out of the pattern formed by the majority of pellets. Where they become important is if one is civilly and criminally liable for one of those flyers not hitting its intended target with the rest of the shot load.
