9.3 bullet test started. pics posted in #1

[medvedqc]

Ok, here's what I have:
285 gr:
Woodleigh RN
Norma Alaska:
Nosler Partition
Hornady's I think you already have.

250 gr.:
Woodleigh PP.
Nosler Accubond I think you already have
247 gr. RWS Cone Pt.
258 gr. RWS H-Mantle- this is loaded ammo but I could pull half a dozen
232 gr. Norma Oryx- again loaded ammo, and I only have 40 rds

I like the gelatin idea. Gives you a chance to look at the damage, rather than just an expanded bullet.

please do not be orphan of what you have in scarce quantity. PM on your way.

I am out of country right now, back in two weeks, I can supply,
250 TSX
250 accubond.
286 gr partions.
if you don't have any of these,

i will come back to you very soon.

Phil:

Not sure when you're planning on doing this, but once it warms up, I can send you some of my 355 gr. cast bullets that I designed for the 400/360 Rimless Nitro Express 2 1/4" (9.3x57), along with some data I use.

http://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=37-355H-D.png

Regards,

Jim

of course Jim always a new thing to try. do not know when either as we need some not cold nice to avoid the water in the jugs to be frozen.

Tell me if you want some Woodleigh 250 / 286 gr RN SN, some Barnes Banded Solid 250 grainers, Woodleigh 320 PP SN

PM to you too. Woodleigh has always interested me ...

I have some RWS component bullets, have to wait until I get home tonight to check what they are exactly. If H-Mantel that would preclude any having to be pulled from loaded ammo. Everything else I have is already listed. Shoot me an address and i'll get some in the mail regardless...




blake

PM on your way

Woow thanks a lot guys.

 

[medvedqc]

I sent you 8 original Barnes bullets so you can miss the water jugs a couple of times . john

thanks you very much John.

Phil

 

[BwanaDave]

Ive got some 250 ballistic tips and 286 partitions here if you need them let me know

 

[Why not?]

Has anyone here ever done any testing using water-based drillers mud? Am thinking it might be a decent test medium, and it is not hard to find.

Ted

 

[SHELL SHUCKER]

in the water jugs , if you filed them with unflavoured gelatin ( knox makes it . double strength jello might even work ) , you would have something very close to having them filed with ballistic gel .

just a thought

This ^^ Plus stir in 2 cups of cabosil to each gallon of gelatin mix & let firm up overnight. Cabosil is a thickening agent used for fiberglass resin to make a paste for fairing out boat hulls and will add density to the gelatin. Like shootin' a big critter in the guts.

 

[Baribal]

Jello works but it yemds to liquify under pressure...

 

[Bartledan]

This ^^ Plus stir in 2 cups of cabosil to each gallon of gelatin mix & let firm up overnight. Cabosil is a thickening agent used for fiberglass resin to make a paste for fairing out boat hulls and will add density to the gelatin. Like shootin' a big critter in the guts.

Use thick gloves, sealing eye protection and a top quality filtration mask when working with cabosil. Lots of WCB and OHSA claims from Cabosil. Silicosis hazard.

 

[Boomer]

Has anyone here ever done any testing using water-based drillers mud? Am thinking it might be a decent test medium, and it is not hard to find.

Ted

That's what I used for testing the .375/380 gr Rhinos compared to a 300 gr X and a 270 gr XLC, this was before TSXs were on the market. Drill mud is pretty snotty to mix and handle. What I did was fill 5 gallon oil pails with it, line them up, and shoot from about 20', the idea being to ensure bullet failure if it was to occur. If the consistency is correct, you're usually left with a measurable wound channel, but the 380s blew the pails apart. What was interesting was that the 380 gr Rhino in the drill mud performed nearly exactly the same as the .510/570 gr X bullet in my buffalo. Both bullets penetrated 32" and both expanded to .90"; impact velocity for the .500 was about 2100 fps and impact velocity for the .375/380 was about 2300.

 

[SHELL SHUCKER]

Use thick gloves, sealing eye protection and a top quality filtration mask when working with cabosil. Lots of WCB and OHSA claims from Cabosil. Silicosis hazard.

Got that right fer sure, and make sure there is minimum air movement in the space you're doing the work in.
A good, safe & cheaper substitute is fine sawdust.

 

[Johnn Peterson]

Hi Phil. Here's a list of what I have available.
- Martix 290gr FB Bonded
- PRVI 285gr SP
- Barnes 286gr TSX
- Speer 250gr
- Norma 286gr
- Norma 231gr
PM me which you'd like me to send, how many and the postal address to send them to.

UPDATE:
PM sent. Packaged up six of each and they're on the way as we speak.

 

[BlackLabelBrad]

I always find these bullet testing threads to be quite interesting and I have a bunch of 9.3 bullets on hand, I'm willing to donate some for the cause.

I have:
- 285 gr PRVI SP
- 286 gr Nosler Partition
- 286 gr Hornady SP
- 270 gr Speer SP
- 250 gr Nosler Accubond
- 250 gr Hornady GMX

 

[BigUglyMan]

This is going to be an interesting test. I haven't got any bullets that haven't already been offered so all I can do it sit back and wait to see what happens.

 

[Why not?]

...A good, safe & cheaper substitute is fine sawdust.

Wondering if using just soaking wet sawdust in large cardboard boxes might not be a good medium, similar to wet newsprint?

The box could be lined with poly to keep it dry. Multiple shots, and reuse of medium might be fairly simple. Just extract the bullet, mix the medium up evenly, and shoot again.

As well, a target bigger than a milk jug would make hits considerably easier at long range, say 300 meters. At least it would for me.

Ted

 

[burnt_servo]

sawdust , or maybe planner shavings ?

I'm thinking of something with a little bit of fiber length . wood chips big enough for a pulpmill might be too big and give inconstant results .

they would definitely have to be water logged .

it should be fairly straight forward , cheap and easy to use and reuse .

 

[tokguy]

Got some Barnes 250 gr solids, but...why? I'd send them if they were of some use.
Mixing up a Bentonite glue is a nasty job. Not very water soluble at all. Just gross, done it a few times to seal leaks on mud systems. If you want to pursue this plan, mix it into a cooking oil. Like 5 - 10 gallons of deep fryer oil. Then you add it to the water, should rapidly hydrate and make a pudding like ( it sounds like you want) you desire. Called a 'Gunk plug' in the business.

 

[medvedqc]

UPDATE:
PM sent. Packaged up six of each and they're on the way as we speak.

thanks a lot Johnn ...

i have to updtate the list.

Phil

 

[medvedqc]

I always find these bullet testing threads to be quite interesting and I have a bunch of 9.3 bullets on hand, I'm willing to donate some for the cause.

I have:
- 285 gr PRVI SP
- 286 gr Nosler Partition
- 286 gr Hornady SP
- 270 gr Speer SP
- 250 gr Nosler Accubond
- 250 gr Hornady GMX

hello,

can be interested by the GMX.

PM outbound.

thanks a lot.

Phil

 

[9.3mauser]

Wondering if using just soaking wet sawdust in large cardboard boxes might not be a good medium, similar to wet newsprint?

The box could be lined with poly to keep it dry. Multiple shots, and reuse of medium might be fairly simple. Just extract the bullet, mix the medium up evenly, and shoot again.

As well, a target bigger than a milk jug would make hits considerably easier at long range, say 300 meters. At least it would for me.

Ted

Back in the mid-eighties the Alaskan Forest Service conducted some test of various cartridge/bullet combinations, to determine which would be best for employees to carry for bear defence. I dug out the article to refresh my memory on what they used:

"to determine penetration depth and to recover fired bullets, we used the testing medium recommended by Bob Hagel (1978), who found that recovered bullets shot into a moistened mixture of 50 % fine silt and 50 % sawdust (by volume) were similar to bullets removed from various big game animals, including bears.

We built an open ended wooden box 12x12x24 inches to hold the silt/sawdust mixture, covering the ends with scrap pieces of carpet to prevent spillage through the bullet holes. To facilitate locating bullets, we placed the mixture in 4x10x12 inch cardboard file wallets. Six tightly filled wallets fit snugly into the box."

 

[SHELL SHUCKER]

Back in the mid-eighties the Alaskan Forest Service conducted some test of various cartridge/bullet combinations, to determine which would be best for employees to carry for bear defence. I dug out the article to refresh my memory on what they used:

"to determine penetration depth and to recover fired bullets, we used the testing medium recommended by Bob Hagel (1978), who found that recovered bullets shot into a moistened mixture of 50 % fine silt and 50 % sawdust (by volume) were similar to bullets removed from various big game animals, including bears.

We built an open ended wooden box 12x12x24 inches to hold the silt/sawdust mixture, covering the ends with scrap pieces of carpet to prevent spillage through the bullet holes. To facilitate locating bullets, we placed the mixture in 4x10x12 inch cardboard file wallets. Six tightly filled wallets fit snugly into the box."

That's good, quantified testing. May have to fiddle with that method myself as I have a screen fine enough to get silt.

 

[BigUglyMan]

Back in the mid-eighties the Alaskan Forest Service conducted some test of various cartridge/bullet combinations, to determine which would be best for employees to carry for bear defence. I dug out the article to refresh my memory on what they used:

"to determine penetration depth and to recover fired bullets, we used the testing medium recommended by Bob Hagel (1978), who found that recovered bullets shot into a moistened mixture of 50 % fine silt and 50 % sawdust (by volume) were similar to bullets removed from various big game animals, including bears.

We built an open ended wooden box 12x12x24 inches to hold the silt/sawdust mixture, covering the ends with scrap pieces of carpet to prevent spillage through the bullet holes. To facilitate locating bullets, we placed the mixture in 4x10x12 inch cardboard file wallets. Six tightly filled wallets fit snugly into the box."

I've got that article around somewhere in hard copy. I have to remember to scan it as a .pdf one of these days.

Poor Phil and Ted out collecting buckets of Yukon River silt and begging sawdust all over town. You other Yukoners had better be helping those boys out.

Phil and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Nyuk nyuk nyuk...