9mm 1911, what's the advantage over a 45 ?

Hungry said:
Working on the wife with the 1911 ? :rolleyes:

I'm an expert at that whether I like it or not. The answer to every question SHE has is, "Yes , Dear!"

I started her out with the .45 frame mounted with the conversion kit. At 5 paces, she was shooting at the black 1" patch on a sheet of (legal or letter, does not matter) white (recycled on the other side, from the office) paper. I instructed her to keep all of her .22LR bullets on the patch.

Then when she got all 10 bullets on the patch, she was happy to move back to 7 paces from the target. Immediate success. No spotting scope needed, no walking back and forth. When bullets were wandering from the patch, she was easily able to correct herself by walking forward BACK to 5 paces and refocusing on the principles of good marksmanship (Position, alignment, squeeze, follow through target, yada yada yada) ... No lecture needed. By now she was totally motivated to carry out her own selfcorrection. Guys, your role is encouragement, nothing but encouragement, remember that you are attempting to build a shooting champion first and foremost. That way, with good karma, you can get everything you want or need. ;)

Then we moved the ammo box and magazines (on a chair) back to 10 paces and repeated the drill of shooting to keep all 10 .22LR slugs into the patch. A few would creep out and she now learned how to correct herself and call out the mistakes (anticipating, weak hand pulling down strong hand, improper sight picture, poor sight alignment, etc). And that's how all the sessions went for a couple of days of practice. Notice I never mentioned anything about the single stack 1911 9mm, YET.... :evil:

Then the 3rd or 4th practice I busted open the 9mm 1911 single stack and took her back to 5 paces. Repeat the entire drill until she was comfortable at taking out the patch with 5 9mm bullets.

Then when she was happy with 5 bullets into the patch at 5 paces, we went a little faster. She started shooting at the weeds in the sandy backstop behind the target. She had lots of fun shooting rapid (5 rds only to facilitate more comfortable, large muscle memory) strings and carrying out the mag changes. FUN Factor... Get it , Guys ?? :rolleyes: None of the macho shzt (yet or ever....)

Many of the OSA shooters on this CGNutz board will recognize this drill and the variations I have made with them. Instant success, lasting success, proven success, that's what brings newbies to the firing line over and over again.

Now she likes the Glock17 (but still too fat for her small hand, but she likes shooting it) :rolleyes:

Her favorite is still the 9mm 1911 single stack. Hated the Browning HP since the magazines were a biatch to stuff with 9mm bullets. LOVES the softer springs of the 1911 9mm. She abhors the Glock17 magazines since their springs are too bloody stiff... bloody thumbs, too. :(

There, can we take this information to get your wives/girlfriends out an having fun ? It's all about converting gun-doubters and showing them the fun factor. :D
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Are you suggesting that 9mm 1911's are guns for women ?
 
Another pointless debate me thinks. In a country where we can't carry for personal protection it will never matter what "stopping power" a caliber has. We all punch paper, that's it. No hunting. No repelling home invaders. No shootin' it out with gang bangers. Paper or other targets at ranges only, where everyone else is there to do the same and don't worry about being attacked or robbed.

Shoot what you want. I like 9mm because it's cheaper and more ammo per dollar makes my wife like it too!

As far as "one shot stops" goes my Mossy 590 will work just fine while my handguns are cozy in the locked gun room dreaming of more paper to consume.
 
Damn... no wonder I'm so sensitive to my students' needs :rolleyes: :D

And I don't mind shooting the cheaper 'women's cartridge since I've got a kid at Queer's University in Kingston. LOL :D ;) I'm not rich enough to feed my .45 ACP habits with factory fodder.
 
Hungry said:
I'm not rich enough to feed my .45 ACP habits with factory fodder.
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Think casting bullets and save your money.

If you don't count your labor, wheel weights are readily available and usually low bucks for lots. One bottle of Lee liq alox will coat several thousand bullets at $5/6 per bottle. The molds are the same price as 1000 plated bullets so paid for in a few range sessions and will last your lifetime.

A bit more gear to heat the alloy and you are making bullets at a rate of 6 bullets per 'pull'. When you get dialed in, making 1000 bullets in an hour is possible. I'm slow and take 2 hours. Add in 1/2 hour to prep and clean the wheel weights before use.

Another 5 mins to tumble lube the bunch. Let sit overnight. Load them up and you will have an accurate bullet that will not lead at ACP load pressures.

Bullet cost 1 to 2cents each so each reload is now pretty damn cheap.

With the 45ACP and reusing cases, you should be able to shoot at 6 cents per bang....TOPS.

Jerry

PS Casting for 40 usually requires water quenching so an extra step in labour. 9mm usually needs hard alloy so much more expensive to do.
 
mysticplayer said:
The molds are the same price as 1000 plated bullets so paid for in a few range sessions and will last your lifetime.
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Lee six cavity mould $67.99 ( handles extra) Lee 2 cavity mould ( this is what I have ) $33.99 including handles. Either you get your plated bullets very cheap or you are using a very expensive mould.
 
Spencer said:
Lee six cavity mould $67.99 ( handles extra) Lee 2 cavity mould ( this is what I have ) $33.99 including handles. Either you get your plated bullets very cheap or you are using a very expensive mould.
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Take your $68 dollar mold and add $20+ handles. Include a stick of Alox/Beeswax for lube ($6+) and you are within spitting distance of Marstar plated bullets at $103.

Close enough for HG shooting.

Jerry
 
Moulds

Spencer said:
Lee six cavity mould $67.99 ( handles extra) Lee 2 cavity mould ( this is what I have ) $33.99 including handles. Either you get your plated bullets very cheap or you are using a very expensive mould.
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Lyman and RCBS moulds are a little expensive but like anything else, you get what you pay for. There are more expensive moulds:
http://www.magmaengineering.com/bulletmolds.php?bm=40CAL10MM

Personally I like the steel moulds a lot better than the Lee aluminum ones, I have some of both and use only steel. But that is only my preference, someone else may prefer aluminum.
 
NAA said:
In general the 9mm is a woman's ctg... :p
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I think you might be right and it just goes to show that there is an advantage in having a 9mm 1911 after all.
You and Mr Hungry have shown me the light. It's only right that the fairer ### should also be able to shoot a nice looking pistol, bless em :) I was considering getting a .22 for my better half, but am seriously considering a 9mm 1911 instead.
 
Getting back to the original topic, can anyone comment about issues of feeding a 9mm round in a 1911? I bought a copy of Guns&Ammo's Complete Book of the 1911 (a "collector's edition") and one of the articles referred to problems with the 1911 design and 9mm. It said that the 1911 was designed for the .45ACP which is a larger cartridge. 9mm cartridges could misfeed because of it's size. The article went on to strongly recommend Springfield Armory magazines that were designed by Rob Leatham. Those magazines had some kind of buffer that aligned the cartridge more forward in the magazine and eliminated the possibility of a misfeed.
 
Spencer said:
I think you might be right and it just goes to show that there is an advantage in having a 9mm 1911 after all.
You and Mr Hungry have shown me the light. It's only right that the fairer ### should also be able to shoot a nice looking pistol, bless em :) I was considering getting a .22 for my better half, but am seriously considering a 9mm 1911 instead.
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Heck, just get it for yourself... :D [I've got a Colt Combat Commander and a Norc NP-29 in 9mm.... ;)]
 
Terry Murbach, a friend and former gun scribe, told me to try 38 Super magazines in my custom 9mm 1911A1 Colt. He thinks these magazines may cure the jams I am having along with the failure of the slide to stay open after the last round. No, before you ask, to date, I haven't garnered any 38 Super magazines. Regards, Richard:D
 
So the 9mm DOES make sense in the 1911 platform if you are cheap and because the recoil of the .45ACP frightens the women and children.

If saving money is the objective get a .22 conversion. Cheaper than a second gun and .22 is less expensive than 9mm. Recoils less too.

Stopping power doesn't matter. We shoot targets for the general joy of it. The BOOM of the .45ACP and the CLANG it makes on a steel target is so much more satisfying than the simpering little tinking noise the Euro-trash makes on steel. :D
 
I just bought a .380 Beretta. Would any one care to stand downrange while I try it out?:D:D:D
WHEN we are allowed to carry, I would feel well armed with my plastic
Glock 19 full of Wichester Silvertips.

But then again I feel no need to compensate.:evil:
 
"told me to try 38 Super magazines in my custom 9mm 1911A1 Colt. He thinks these magazines may cure the jams I am having along with the failure of the slide to stay open after the last round."

I bought a 9mm Nighthawk Custom 1911. It was very expensive but came with the cheapest magazines I've ever seen:mad:. They fed reliably but the slide would fail to lock back most of the time. I switched to METALFORM "Springfield" Magazines and now it functions flawlessly.

This is the description given from Brownells Website:
"Springfield-style, built-in front ramp improves round feed into chamber. Flat follower provides consistent feeding for all 1911 9mm pistols."
 
People should buy the 9mm if they want it more, thats the only reason they need. Buy em, shoot em, have fun.

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