9mm big enough?
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Does the Canadian reality of having magazine limits of 10 rounds for all handguns and limited access to high tech hollow point ammunition affect your choice?
Does this make the .45 more attractive and the 9mm less attractive or not?
Does this make the .45 more attractive and the 9mm less attractive or not?
My bet is the thread gets at least another 50 posts. The combat garu hasn't chimed in yet.
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Bob
Yup, just look at the RCMP carbine thread. Instead of locking it and maybe archiving it for all to see on how not to post. They delete it to try and save CGN face.
Forest1488
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I have taken down some really big people on the golf course with a previously enjoyed ball. You can actually throw in a few women and the odd teen for good measure. Whether you spen the extra $ on a fancy line of titleist built for accuracy or use a ball that has been sitting in a pond on the backside of the 9th fairway for three years that you just scooped out of the muck......its all about shot placement.
Even 7.62 is big enough ...the proper 7.62 that is 
9mm, 45 acp are all weak rounds. You throw a 308 win in there and you got a winner... They just don't come in a small handgun package... Shot placement is aways the key and how fast someone can get to the hospital if they get there fast enough they have high odds of surviveing 3 out of 10 people shot with a handgun die. That means 7 out of 10 live. Now switch to a rifle or shotgun and the numbers change allot. 2 out of 10 people shot with a rifle live and 8 out of 10 die. It's 30 percent pistols 80 percent rifle and shotguns. The way a firearm kills someone is by bleeding or destroy a vital organ like the brain or heart. Is a 9mm a weak caliber yes it is can it still kill someone defeantly is it the best round for everything no thats why the military uses rifles and the pistol is a backup.
Here is a video that goes through the stats ect
Warning it shows JFK pictures after he was shot ect
[youtube]tku8YI68-JA[/youtube]
Here is a video that goes through the stats ect
Warning it shows JFK pictures after he was shot ect
[youtube]tku8YI68-JA[/youtube]
Easy to say without incoming fire.On the 2-way gun range, you take cover and wish for a 100rnd drum
I feel that his advice is really good, for sure. I have come close to changing my sig a couple of times but if I change it it all, it won't accept the link anymore, but as long as I don't change it the sig still works and I haven't been hassled about it.
I doubt many read it but a few must have because I've gotten a couple of PMs about it here and there. It seems very even-handed and sensible to me and of course the data on which it is based is very solid.
Note that cops still carry shotguns in their cruisers. And, given Canadian laws and 'safe storage' regulations, a shotgun is a more practical home defense weapon, and I can load both barrels of a double in seconds. Compared to handguns, shotguns also look scary as Hell. I probably would use birdshot, though, as 00 buck in a house is just too dangerous. (The Box o' Truth guys' tests on drywall gave me pause.)
I'm not at all squeamish of blood, brains, and gore, gon't mind having my teeth drilled, and I gleefully watched my foot being operated (under local anaesthesia) as a kid...but having my interocular pressure checked, people putting contacts in, or even women applying eyeliner and mascara makes me want to curl up into a ball--I usually try to be scarce when this happens. I made the mistake on searching Youtube for clips of this pretty young actress, and watching this video gave me the Willies for weeks:
And here's a clip that will make you ill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fI7sMHNF2c
Note what the intercranial pressure did to the eyes.
Ok read this.
http://www.allamericanblogger.com/19420/waffle-house-robber-killed-by-concealed-carry-permit-holder/
Anyone want to comment on what the local RCMP Inspector, Chief of Police in Toronto, or NDP MP would say if this happened up here. I guess this is a vote for the .45acp.
Take Care
Bob
http://www.allamericanblogger.com/19420/waffle-house-robber-killed-by-concealed-carry-permit-holder/
Anyone want to comment on what the local RCMP Inspector, Chief of Police in Toronto, or NDP MP would say if this happened up here. I guess this is a vote for the .45acp.
Take Care
Bob
Fair enough. But a dud primer will stop an autoloader cold (even one with a restrikable trigger), while a revolver will simply rotate a new round into fire. Tap-rack-bang may work with a human assailant, but not a brown bear closing in on you.
Umm why? A human assailant would be shooting back and a bullet is faster than a bear. It's not hard to quickly rack the slide clearing a dud on an automatic. Granted anyone relying on a handgun to stop a charging Brown Bear is going to be in for a surprise. I wouldn't even trust a handgun to stop a charging Black Bear
but one thing about an automatic, they are a lot quicker to reload... unless you're Jerry Miculek
I Drache covered the tap rack well. There is a reason that revolvers are no longer used, it is old technology. That while still perfectly functional is inferior to current offerings.
Shawn
Try to get a wilderness permit with an auto. Not happening in BC. I guess somebody forgot to tell the CFO that revolvers were obsolete.
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Bob
Try getting one that is not work related. But either way your point is still irrelevant.
And whether or not the CFO issues ATC for them doesn't change the fact that auto are better in almost every way.
Shawn
Just curious where you got these numbers? Youtube was being a PITA for me and not playing it, so if they came from there then ok. As for the "stats", I'm going to play devils advocate on that one and say it's because most rifle/shotgun shootings happen further away from hospitals. Handgun shootings are much more common place in the city, where you can get to a hospital (most likely) within the "golden hour". Also it goes back to shot placement, how many shootings were pistols in a drive-by? Not going to get great shot placement there, still counts as a GSW if you're hit in the extremities. Rifle/shotgun used a lot more outside big cities, although sawed offs are probably pretty popular. But again that goes to shot placement, probably not using slugs, therefore with more pieces of hot lead heading in your direction more likely to hit something major.
As for .45 vs 9mm, I say whatever you shoot better with (if you have a choice). But in SHTF whatever gun you can get your hands on is the right one (as long as it goes bang). If I had the choice though, 9mm because of having more rounds.
