9mm PCC of choice for ultimate reliability and battle type use.

Those QC10 Glock lowers are nicely made. What has your experience been with the last round bolt hold open reliability with the stock Magpul mags?

My lower is one of the early ones and the last round hold open doesn't work at all, QC 10 has since redesign the the last round hold open bar that has solved the problem, but I used to it now and just haven't bother to get the new part.
 
I have 2 CX4 and it’s hard to think of a more reliable firearm. Tens of thousands of rounds each and they just keep working. One is starting to get a bit picky with ammo and not ejecting 100% of the time but after the amount of rounds it’s seen it’s understandable that they need some new small parts.
 
If this is for battle use as the op stated, is the party you are fighting only going to load 5 rounds as per Canadian law?

Just something to consider rather than choosing based on magazine type rather that proven reliability of the platform in war

I have stated the "battle type use" just for reliability, sourcing spare parts, etc. I'm not actually going to war with it so I'm not concerned as to the Cdn mag capacity or restricted vs non-restricted.
I guess I'm looking past the stupid Canadian laws that we tend to filter firearms through with our "firearm glasses".

If it was a "war" scenerio, every PCC in use would prob be running at its normal full mag capacity. :))

As too HK, I love them and I have never had a part break on HK firearms either, but if just a small part broke and you couldn't source a replacement in a timely(ie: a very short time) manner then that firearm is not going to be my first choice to carry and use.
 
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Wow Bartok5, I will have to take some time and digest the excellent info you provided, and maybe drool a bit over your photos!!
 
As too HK, I love them and I have never had a part break on HK firearms either, but if just a small part broke and you couldn't source a replacement in a timely(ie: a very short time) manner then that firearm is not going to be my first choice to carry and use.
this is canada, even north American brands leave people waiting months if not years for replacement parts.

It's a distribution problem, the parts are likely on the shelf somewhere, but getting the Canadian distributor for that product line to procure it in a timely fashion is the major issue most of the time.
 
A 9mm semi-auto for battle? That is total nonsense. It may do you good for commiting suicide before people with proper implements whoop your ass I suppose.
 
A 9mm semi-auto for battle? That is total nonsense. It may do you good for commiting suicide before people with proper implements whoop your ass I suppose.

I get that most SMG's around the world would not be running semi-auto. But that is all we can get in Kanada today. As to the "battle" reference. Perhaps you should read my explanation at the beginning of the thread.
I think that the SAS, Israeli's, Secret Service, etc etc, would have very good things to say about the use of 9mm SMG's in their intended combat role.
 
I get that most SMG's around the world would not be running semi-auto. But that is all we can get in Kanada today. As to the "battle" reference. Perhaps you should read my explanation at the beginning of the thread.
I think that the SAS, Israeli's, Secret Service, etc etc, would have very good things to say about the use of 9mm SMG's in their intended combat role.

I read your OP, your title still says "battle type use", I thought I would poke at you a bit. SMGs are certainly useful tools in many scenarios but the caveat being they have the ability to fire automatically, unlike anything we legally have access to.
 
I read your OP, your title still says "battle type use", I thought I would poke at you a bit. SMGs are certainly useful tools in many scenarios but the caveat being they have the ability to fire automatically, unlike anything we legally have access to.

Wouldnt surprise me if a lot of times the soldiers thought the full auto was actually a handicap.
 
Wouldnt surprise me if a lot of times the soldiers thought the full auto was actually a handicap.

For sure, there are many many scenarios that involve the use of semi auto for greater precision and less chance of hitting innocent hostages and bystanders.
 
Wouldnt surprise me if a lot of times the soldiers thought the full auto was actually a handicap.

I don’t particularly care for auto in a rifle, but in an SMG, it’s very effective. Short, controlled bursts. If you ever have the opportunity to fire an MP5 on auto, you'll immediately understand what I’m saying. That being said, I wouldn’t hesitate to use a semi only 9mm in a combative type scenario, maybe not warfighting, but certainly in a home defence or SHTF situation.

To the OP, for what it’s worth, the Scorpion EVO is my vote for the best option on the market. Truth be told, I’d probably reach for it over many other choices that aren’t available too.
 
Not trying to poop on the X95, just wondering - isn't it a significant disadvantage in terms of the 'battle type use' part of this question that this model is restricted to 5-round magazines? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding and it's legal to use some type of 10-rounder? While 10 is scarcely 'military' insofar as capacity goes, it's a heck of a lot more than 5, so on this criterion alone it would seem to scratch the $2,000 X95 off the list. Unless of course one were thinking of un-pinning a 32-round magazine, but nobody does that here.

If you're going into "battle" with the rivets in the mags... you probably deserve to get shot and removed from the gene pool anyway...
 
Wouldnt surprise me if a lot of times the soldiers thought the full auto was actually a handicap.

A well designed SMG is a dream to shoot. They don't want to go straight for the sky like most assault rifles and LMGs. For instance the MP-5/SD I got to run hardly recoiled at all, and I truly mean that. It's like shooting an airsoft gun. I have fired over 2 dozen different SMGs down in the US. Not just a mag or two but serious range time. There were only a couple I didn't love, and I still appreciated certain things about those.
 
I suggested a ruger pc carbine earlier in the thread now that i have it. I do not recommend it for a battle type 9mm carbine. Bolt hold open function is such a #### design that any force applied to the stock will have the bolt fly shut and chamber a round. This is not battle worthy engineering. I now have to designate this gun a plinker only.
 
I don’t particularly care for auto in a rifle, but in an SMG, it’s very effective. Short, controlled bursts. If you ever have the opportunity to fire an MP5 on auto, you'll immediately understand what I’m saying. That being said, I wouldn’t hesitate to use a semi only 9mm in a combative type scenario, maybe not warfighting, but certainly in a home defence or SHTF situation.

To the OP, for what it’s worth, the Scorpion EVO is my vote for the best option on the market. Truth be told, I’d probably reach for it over many other choices that aren’t available too.

Ya im sure some well designed platforms would offer acceptable control. I fired a full auto PPSh 41 in Poland and it was impossible to control outside of short busts. That same gun in semi auto with all that weight and capacity would shoot like a airsoft gun lol
 
What's the status of DB db9rb in Canada? Looks like receiver is different from AR.

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