A$$ Hole...

sogone2day said:
Yeah businesses are the ones that got royally screwed with inventory.
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You have to keep context in mind.

1) Any inventory was the result of risky business decisions to pour in stock to capitalize on fear of exactly the type of ban that was inevitably coming. This was eyes wide open.

2) The amount of this inventory is proportional to the size and capitalization of each business so its not a make/break life and death deal, its cashing out to cash out pure and simple.

3) If they did not do this now, the inventory would still be cashed out at the end along with everyone else.

But they do it now.

That they are doing this now ahead of the peons they sold to is the point.

They are making a deal and cashing out now with certainty and riding off into the sunset.

Meanwhile the peons wait for an uncertain future and may more than likely get completely screwed with no compensation down the line.

While the ones that sold them the goods got their the money and ran.
 
https://www.facebook.com/CSAAAOfficial

The Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association (CSAAA) is representing the interests of all licensed businesses with the Federal Buyback program for the May 2020 OIC prohibited firearms. Our goal is to help negotiate for fair compensation and a simple process for our businesses struggling through this challenging regulatory environment.
The CSAAA will not be participating in anyway with the buyback of individually owned firearms.
**The CSAAA remains skeptical as to the viability of this industry buyback program; due to positive changes in provincial legislation, the absence of Federal budgetary allocation, and lacking a concrete process of implementation.**
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If no help was given to the Liberals, from any stakeholders, the gun grab would have been made all the more difficult/impossible. This capitulation from these retailers/manufacturers (through the CSAAA) is a betrayal clearly. I will lose $$$, heritage and lifelong customs, so will you. It sucks. If we all stuck together, consistently subscribed to non-compliance, dragged our feet, we stood a chance of reversing this through boondoggle clusterf*cking the govt. This org, and their business reps, screwed us all in my opinion.

I have, in the past, spent 10’s of thousands of dollars at some of the listed retailers. Never again.

C.
 
Milanczar said:
You have to keep context in mind.

1) Any inventory was the result of risky business decisions to pour in stock to capitalize on fear of exactly the type of ban that was inevitably coming. This was eyes wide open.
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Would you have preferred that they stopped stocking Ar-15's prior to the ban?
 
I get there are some that are about to close the doors, and I would rather see more than less gun shops around. Still, F you for complying in any way.

These businesses should at the very least make it absolute hell for the feds to confiscate whatever inventory they have. Do not set (any more) precedence by making it easy.

Payment upfront. Current Retail values paid. Compensation for 3 years of storage. No shipping, come get them. Also, make it public when the officers are coming to confiscate. Allow the gun community to show up in protest.
 
Grizzlypeg said:
Would you have preferred that they stopped stocking Ar-15's prior to the ban?
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That is completely irrelevant and a classic straw man.

It was their business decision that has nothing to do with anyone else other than their own greed and or lack of prudence that everyone else is now going to pay for.

They were not selling food or necessities anyone depended on.

You think they were running these businesses as some sort of charity?
 
Running sticker draws to cover your lost revenue might have been a smarter play here. Then you could smelt your inventory into a nice block of aluminum to make a statement.
 
I don't know what role Matt / John Hipwell had in this as a Director but I can't blame him. Wolverine used to run a charity raffle as a n outreach gesture and had trouble selling tickets.

So why would he want to support an industry that didn't support their initiative to change the channel?
 
Milanczar said:
That is completely irrelevant and a classic straw man.

It was their business decision that has nothing to do with anyone else other than their own greed and or lack of prudence that everyone else is now going to pay for.

They were not selling food or necessities anyone depended on.

You think they were running these businesses as some sort of charity?
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Clearly you have no idea what a straw man argument is. Not stocking rifles was the only alternative to stocking them.
 
Milanczar said:
You have to keep context in mind.

1) Any inventory was the result of risky business decisions to pour in stock to capitalize on fear of exactly the type of ban that was inevitably coming. This was eyes wide open.

2) The amount of this inventory is proportional to the size and capitalization of each business so its not a make/break life and death deal, its cashing out to cash out pure and simple.

3) If they did not do this now, the inventory would still be cashed out at the end along with everyone else.

But they do it now.

That they are doing this now ahead of the peons they sold to is the point.

They are making a deal and cashing out now with certainty and riding off into the sunset.

Meanwhile the peons wait for an uncertain future and may more than likely get completely screwed with no compensation down the line.

While the ones that sold them the goods got their the money and ran.
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Do you have information that the rest of us haven’t read? You’re basing this all on one sentence spouted by a person hated by all, and you take it as truth? Let’s hear the other side of the story.
 
L86 All Terrain said:
Running sticker draws to cover your lost revenue might have been a smarter play here. Then you could smelt your inventory into a nice block of aluminum to make a statement.
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I dare say taking a hit on inventory would have been much less of a financial loss than helping Mendacino make a significant milestone headline, and losing a lot of repeat business as a result.

C.
 
nowarningshot said:
Right up there with JR Cox, with friends like this who needs enemies.
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Yep, the guy that threw the whole firearms community under the bus just to get even with a competitor.

The Swiss arms ban was 100% his doing and the 858 ban was a ripple effect from it. The Lieberls love guy’s like that. !!!
 
Grizzlypeg said:
Clearly you have no idea what a straw man argument is. Not stocking rifles was the only alternative to stocking them.
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Nice bluster buddy but it doesn't cut the mustard.


Inventory is the millstone of any business and a successful business does not invest money in stuff sitting in the store room.

If you don't understand this you have no clue about business other than running a lemonade stand.

No wonder there are so many business bankruptcies that involve unsold and unwanted inventory.


Nobody forced them to stock inventory other than their own greed.

As a responsible business it would be simple just to take and fill orders not to carry stock.

But not having stock and risk that went with it would have resulted in less profit as buyers would not want the risk of being caught out if there was a sudden ban.

Deciding to have inventory was a direct decision to have risk to make more money rather than no risk and making less money.

So the businesses took a direct known risk to carry inventory just to make more money.

If something is being banned and stomped on and you want to run a business importing as much of it as you can

without anticipating the consequences, there is no excuse.
 
Grizzlypeg said:
I see no value in forcing business to continue hold inventory without compensation. They do what they do, and that is supply us with guns. I do what I do, and that is buy them. I bought to hold for long term, they didn't.
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This 100%,

Businesses need to make decisions to keep themselves alive. Business rule #1. Period.

Imagine a small business still holding 100's of thousands of stock after 3 years without any indications on the horizon.

Yes this sucks, but the businesses are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The only ones to blame here are the libs.
 
Milanczar said:
Nobody forced them to stock inventory other than their own greed.

As a responsible business it would be simple just to take and fill orders not to carry stock.
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And then have Canadian gun owners complain that they didn’t bring in enough to sell? Did they know they were going to be prohibited? Or could they have been like handguns?

I get what you’re saying, but either way they were gonna get flack.
 
You do understand that ,if a business refuses to complie with cfo direction for buy back. There cancle your BFL on the spot and the buisness owners and staff are in Possession of prohibited weapons without a licence.
Policr can arrest you pn thr spot
 
xURSOx said:
This 100%,

Businesses need to make decisions to keep themselves alive. Business rule #1. Period.

Imagine a small business still holding 100's of thousands of stock after 3 years without any indications on the horizon.

Yes this sucks, but the businesses are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The only ones to blame here are the libs.
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The business had to wait the outcome of the different court challenges and next elections. They are abdicating and prove the Libs rhetoric.
They signed a contract (for money ?) with the Libs. Bunch of screwballs.

The CSAAA screw us all.

They state on their web site they are the voice of hunters and sport shooters…no way..they are in bed with the Libs..let everybody know those CSAAA business members are not our friends and let boycott them all. They don’t deserve a single loony from gun owners.
 
Oh look, another thread of braindead NPCs who do nothing but make the rest of us gun owners look like a bunch of clowns. Maybe one day they'll be able to think for themselves instead of parroting what they think they should believe.
 
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