Abby Multi-Weapon Operations whos going ?

[Kratos]

If you are seriously contemplating a course next year in my area, I may be able to help with accommodations. And you won’t need a tent.

Well I wasn’t expecting that, but I’ll look into it now for sure. Now I’ve got all winter to dust off the gear and practice, maybe I’ll get some of the local guys to do some type of match too. And I still may bring the tent though, I don’t get to camp as much as I like these days lol.

 

[Still alive]

If you want to tent, feel free. You may get a coyote or a cow in your face though.

 

[DILLIGAF]

If you want to tent, feel free. You may get a coyote or a cow in your face though.

Target practice

 

[Still alive]

Target practice

Not my cow! Anything else is pest control!

 

[Kratos]

Target practice

I like your style!

Not my cow! Anything else is pest control!

I can have steak and eggs (hoping there are chickens) for breakfast?! I also make a mean yote stew, that’s not something many will try though haha.

 

[Still alive]

Pass on the yote stew. Steak and eggs, we can do. Not sure you want to be loaded down before a run and gun course though!

 

[trailskinpat]

Many a night I've felt like poppin a few of those coyotes just to shut them up ... but that rule #4 about knowing what is beyond your intended target would have me worried about pinging rounds off the side of Still alive's barn. Well that and the fact we still live in a very suburban setting.

 

[Still alive]

Many a night I've felt like poppin a few of those coyotes just to shut them up ... but that rule #4 about knowing what is beyond your intended target would have me worried about pinging rounds off the side of Still alive's barn. Well that and the fact we still live in a very suburban setting.

If you can hit my barn from your house in the dark, then I know you’ve mastered your trigger squeeze!

 

[mikethebike]

If you can hit my barn from your house in the dark, then I know you’ve mastered your trigger squeeze!

you have a cow?

 

[Still alive]

you have a cow?

3 currently. They’ll be dinner in a couple of months.

 

[Kratos]

Pass on the yote stew. Steak and eggs, we can do. Not sure you want to be loaded down before a run and gun course though!

Didn’t think you’d want to try it, not many do, those that do try some regret it almost instantly lol and you’re right, heavier foods at breakfast just come back to see you faster then you’d like when actually training.

Many a night I've felt like poppin a few of those coyotes just to shut them up ... but that rule #4 about knowing what is beyond your intended target would have me worried about pinging rounds off the side of Still alive's barn. Well that and the fact we still live in a very suburban setting.

You are right sir, but every good load out has a knife!

 

[scorpio_21]

It was really good putting faces to names to handles at this course. Perhaps we should have a pre-meet on Friday to socialize so we don't get another lecture on being too chatty

Definitely echo the first aid comments; it would be great to have tac-shooters known for having first aid along with cool guy skillz!

I am looking forward to training with a known good setup now, too. Every season I keep changing my gear and it is difficult to build up muscle memory. Nothing like the threat of pink duct tape to make you fix your s**t.

Ashton

 

[Sakoman .308]

I would like to get some training under my belt one day.

 

[Niko-PG]

 

[Candocad]

Props to everyone for training through the rain. No one complained, no one bailed.

Watching Denis run that Vz was awesome, reloads right out of a Travis Haley video.

Kudos to Chris for carrying on after losing most of his gear to an unfortunate accident.

While we love to shoot, I think we don't do nearly enough first aid or tac-med, which was a really great addition to course work.

Nice to meet y'all, see you this week end.

You and Miracle Joe are too kind, however, I am still kicking myself about being such a ####. But that's a good example of what fatigue does to you.

A long day Friday, followed by a day out in the rain (and the Gortex jacket failed!) and you get tired and make mistakes. After ranging in the M305 I placed my assault rig, ifak kit, a 50 cal ammo box with all my mags for my primary pistol + ear defenders / glasses / gloves / boonie hat (which also failed in the rain) / rifle sling / edc knife on the truck cover as I stowed my pistol safely. And then I drove off! When I got to the hotel, the carrier for the M305 mags was still on the truck cover, and i realized what a mistake I had made. I back tracked, but there was nothing in the road after under 20 minutes after leaving the range.

I owe a big thank you to the ATS guys who effectively kitted me out for Sunday, together with Nick for mag pouches. I was both pissed with myself and trying desperately to keep up with you guys! A humbling occasion, but so much learnt. The tactical medicine was awesome, and I am tempted to teach the wife and kids some aspects of it, it could save a life in the event of an accident. I am also getting some C-TOMS to have in the cars and my new Ifak kit.

It was a pleasure shooting with you guys on this course, and I think everybody got something out of it. I am certainly going to make the effort to attend ATS shoots in 2018, and I am looking into the Chilliwack club too. I hope to see some of you there.

Candocad.

 

[CobraGT]

Nobody else got any photos?

 

[nza]

[For those who attended - WE WANT AAR. POST THEM HERE or on the FB site]

It was a good show by all. I feel we need to predicate this a bit for the folks who did not participate. The training courses that we have are aggressive and do aim to cover a lot of material. We are a multinational entity where training is just a part of what we do - and Canada is a new space for us. The trg we typically do is to train up existing security, military, or police units on specific skillsets to better enable them to do their work. Our contracts are by and large from overseas. Our instructors have a very 'global' perspective and may not necessarily be "Canadianized." All of us at Veritac including the instructors work outside of Canada and so that informs how our courses are built. The curriculum designed by JdG our primary JTF2 instructor with input from our CP consultancy folks (one whom you've met) as well as from folks from RCMP VIP section is ambitious and it has been done successfully internationally.

What we're trying to provide is an opportunity for professional development in the area of CP. For courses that are DSTO and beyond, they are typically closed enrollment. The MWO we had opened up to friends of ATS. From the instructors' perspective (and corroborated by participants feedback) - this particular demographic and numbers required the course tempo to be reduced - such that the instructors' did not get to touch on all the topics. It has also opened up another kind training opportunity for those needing to bridge the gap from "tactical shooting 101" to CP-based MWO. This is something we are bringing backing to Veritac stakeholders and will have some news shortly.

OK My Thoughts on MWO overall from an observer perspective - I thought the course was extremely insightful even for myself. This is the first time Nick and JdG have taught together and I thought their dynamics were pretty spot on for BTDT. Certainly Nick was more "hard" on students and then as the weekend progress I saw JdG harping on a few guys. Expected when you have instructors with JTF2 and Marine Commando pedigree. We're bringing this dynamic back for the DSTO course next week so wait for it. That rain and wind helped to set the stage for a bag drive of a weekend and I'm glad that on Sunday you all survived. Based on the feedback of some of the students and from the instructors we splintered the class into two serials to vary the course tempo informed through like-demographics. I believe this decision helped to run the course more efficiently.

In terms of course content - JdG methods and practices for the MWO was to break down everybody to the beginning back to basics. Whereas there were lots of tight groups from static positions - as soon as movement and/or environmental stressors were introduced we saw the confidence level drop. This led us to maintain a tempo where we could build that confidence - not just that, but also to shift that mindset from tactical shooting of paper - to breaking contact with bad guys. CP isn't about closing with and destroying the enemy - its about breaking contact and GTFO - and so this was a perspective shift for some. I'm proud that all of you gained some insight and walked away (unscathed, albeit a little bruised [ego or otherwise]) with a little bit more knowledge and confidence in your own abilities. This coming weekend we will begin introducing elements of CP movements. We're not a CGN sponsor so we can't shill by posting links; but our course content is easily located. If you are wondering what Veritac is - we are primarily an intelligence gathering company that does C4ISR for our customers. Secondary to that main line of business is our training, VIP, and consulting services. These secondary LOBs are informed by our C4ISR methods. Our reach is global from LATAM, Africa, EU, ASEAN.

Regarding the tactical trauma or battlefield medicine - HOLY SH!T right?!?! It gets more intense each and every iteration we have of this module. I learn more every time I sit in on one. For those who are attending next week, you get double whammy. I encourage you to take a pre-course through the CTOMS site. There's preferential pricing for Veritac attendees. Use VS20! as the discount code - and you must select Veritac Solutions as the agency at time of registration.

Regarding pics from the weekend...those who participated will know - we have asked folks to police their selfies and limit it to themselves or their friends. Feel free to post those here or on social media. We have to ensure that the images of our instructors and the consultants (myself included) are judiciously selected for PERSEC reasons. So, please clip the images to exclude the instructors and consultants. A funny story for those who did not enroll - we have several photos of the students' body armour...that we will post on a facebook site specifically for armor that is too low If you have any photos you'd like to submit to veritac please send them along to the email contact you have.

For the guys enrolled into DSTO, message traffic inbound...

Here are some kosher pics from various sources...
(I'm still trying to figure out who Stay Alive is)
(btw, the reason JdG wasn't at the pep talk on Sunday, was because he was stacking bodies looking for that ball cap. That DevBgde patch was given him by a DevBgde vet)

 

[misanthropist]

I love the picture of CM and JdG.

The range chief and the death dealer.

I've never organized training, never trained anyone else, never put together a course syllabus, nothing.

But I imagine that the scale of work involved radically exceeds what most people imagine. I appreciate the update (as I'm sure many do) and I think the observations as stated make a ton of sense. Very much looking forward to this weekend.

 

[Still alive]

I love the picture of CM and JdG.

The range chief and the death dealer.

I've never organized training, never trained anyone else, never put together a course syllabus, nothing.

But I imagine that the scale of work involved radically exceeds what most people imagine. I appreciate the update (as I'm sure many do) and I think the observations as stated make a ton of sense. Very much looking forward to this weekend.

Sad I’m going to miss this weekend. At least you’ll have great weather this time around. If the training will be a continuation of last Sunday, then it will surely be eye opening and intense. Learn lots and be safe! UP!

 

[smelly pete]

[For those who attended - WE WANT AAR. POST THEM HERE or on the FB site]

Ok, I will.
Speaking for myself:
Friday night, as posted by all, was excellent. A first aid module that is relevant to the material being taught is the perfect way to start a course, especially when it comes to flinging bits of lead around at high velocities.
If I had to nit-pick (Nick-pick?) I would like to see the presentation shaved in favour of more hands-on time, but that's me, I enjoy learning things through doing, and I find first aid scenarios to be a good team building exercise. This is really me trying to find something, anything, wrong with this; this portion was very well presented.

Saturday morning started with pistol fundamentals, which I can appreciate, as the instructors have no idea what the people in front of them are capable of; however, I would have compressed this portion of the course heavily, as it bled into Saturday afternoon. One way to speed things up that you may find beneficial is a change of targetry management? Coming from a civilian competitive background, target patches would have made for faster evolutions....a common practice when drilling on the range is to just tape the misses, saves even more time, and obviates the need to patch on patches in the scoring zone.
The movement drills Saturday afternoon into the evening were a great primer for Sunday, and I thought the teaching methods employed were very effective.

I have to confess to disappointment in the lack of the low-light portion. This is not something we get a chance to train with in Canada very often (if at all, for some), although I'm not sure if this was a communications breakdown with the host range, as I personally (erroneously) assumed that the (very nice) lights installed on the range could be shut down. Perhaps next time this could be ascertained in advance, and corrections in the syllabus could be forwarded to the participants prior to the course.

Sunday was a hell of a lot of fun. I would have liked more iterations of these serials, perhaps with the changes suggested above, this could be realised?

I have a range specific suggestion, as well. With us on site at 0800, but the firearms staying cased until 1000, we could have perhaps practiced commands, and movements with unloaded firearms, giving us a chance to advance further with the live-fire drills?

Overall, a great course, with a specific skill set being presented. I can see how the material offered was just the tip of the iceberg of knowledge contained in our instructors, I wish we could have spent a week on it! Oh, and it must be very difficult to balance the curriculum with our idiotic magazine laws...although it made some of the stoppage drills hilarious.

Thank you for presenting this MWO course, hoping you guys can come back again soon.

...oh, and I really need to work on remembering not to leave a guy on the end to die alone when I peel off to cover. Sorry smellypete!! LAST MAN!!!