ACR or XCR?

nemesisincanada said:
Are Questar going to be doing that deal again. I thought it was kind of embarrassing for Gravel. Showed a bit of a gouge on their part.
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I would imagine so, but you'd have to ask them. Not really; Questar imported those ACRs sans-barrels whereas the ones through Gravel had the factory 16.5" and aluminium tri-rail. So when you compare an aftermarket (albeit match) barrel with a factory one as well as the upgraded hand guard, the prices were in fact comparable. But yes, $2,999 for a non-restricted version was a good buy - no question.
 
There is an e-mail posted on US forums from one of the BM official, he's assuring folks that 6.8 conversion kits should come out 1st quarter of 2012 and it will be available in 3 barrel lengths, one of them is 18.6" long.( Here updated for ya )
 
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polococta said:
There is an e-mail posted on US forums from one of the BM official, he's assuring folks that 6.8 conversion kits should come out 1st quarter of 2012 and it will be available in 3 barrel lengths, one of them is 18'6" long.
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Factory 18.6" (corrected) 6.8SPC kits would be nice. Heck, I'd just be ecstatic with spare parts at this point (bolts, ratchet and piston assemblies, etc.)
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blaxsun said:
Not exactly where you get "crap" from, as this an ACR vs. XCR thread after all. Last I checked people were free to express their opinions...

Post #5: The ACR is a 'next-generation AR.
Post #12: Actually advocated an XCR might be the best choice (must've been drinking at the time).
Post #14: Suggested alternatives like the Tavor and FS2000.
Post #19: Indicated ACRs are unobtanium in Canada.
Post #21: Indicated 6.8SPC kits for the ACR are unobtanium.
Post #24: Indicated ACRs are even hard to find in the US.
Post #26: Suggested staying off the EE if one wants to save up.
Post #31: Guns have their "off" days, too.
Post #32: Wasn't me!
Post #36: Also wasn't me!!
Post #38: OK, I did poke fun at the XCR not being in Call of Duty... I didn't mention loctite though. Ah, d*mnit...
Post #40: ACR doesn't use a standard AR bolt.
Post #43: The ACR is underpriced relative to the ACR, and user feedback indicates the ACR is more reliable. Newer XCRs more reliable (compliment?)
Post #52: Swapping a barrel on an ACR is cheaper than replacing it with a complete upper on an XCR.
Post #56: Refuted assertion that NR ACR + barrel > NR XCR + XCR upper. Is 7.62x39mm that popular?
Post #61: Offered my opinion that ACR is worth a small premium.
Post #63: Ditto (lighter, more balanced and accurate).
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Your right, your posts in this thread has been more tame them posts in the past.
 
brandneo said:
That was the other question.....What about spare parts?
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I haven't heard of anything critical (BCG, trigger) failing - but arguably these rifles haven't had any extensive round count put through them. Folding stocks, hand guards and Geiselle trigger groups are available as well. From what I recall Gravel has been really good with responding to any warranty issues (although I don't think there's been anything major?)
 
I have no experience with the XCR, but I used my non-restricted ACR in a two day One Shot Tactical rifle course at the beginning of December. I ran 400 rounds through it on the course (which brought total round count up to about 1000), with no failures, gremlins, or parts falling off. I enjoyed using it so much, I'd like to get a restricted one and see about having a 12.5" barrel made for it to use on carbine courses. Hopefully the price on the next batch comes down a bit :redface:
 
If Bushmaster could get the non-restricted in for between $1800-2100 and in quantity they might be able to make the ACR the AR of the North. Bushmaster already fumbled the launch in the US. They should learn from it. If they sell them for $700 more then the XCR then it might be a tough road. No matter what Blaxsun says.
If they can get them into every hunting store that sells Remington and bring them in country in substantial quantity, these might be a best seller at the right price point.
 
nemesisincanada said:
If Bushmaster could get the non-restricted in for between $1800-2100 and in quantity they might be able to make the ACR the AR of the North. Bushmaster already fumbled the launch in the US. They should learn from it. If they sell them for $700 more then the XCR then it might be a tough road. No matter what Blaxsun says.
If they can get them into every hunting store that sells Remington and bring them in country in substantial quantity, these might be a best seller at the right price point.
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$400 less than an XCR? You are dreaming...

aftermidnight said:
Considering the ACR's are going for around $2000 in the US, I hope the Canadian price will be coming down.
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That's also very wishful thinking (I wouldn't count on it, though). ;)
 
blaxsun said:
I would imagine so, but you'd have to ask them. Not really; Questar imported those ACRs sans-barrels whereas the ones through Gravel had the factory 16.5" and aluminium tri-rail. So when you compare an aftermarket (albeit match) barrel with a factory one as well as the upgraded hand guard, the prices were in fact comparable. But yes, $2,999 for a non-restricted version was a good buy - no question.
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My understanding was that Questar had to source the ACRs in the US as a regular purchaser with barrel at retail or whatever deal they could negotiate. They then removed the barrels in the US and imported the units. They then developed a limited run custom match barrel and installed it. They then sold them at what I would expect to be a profit. The price they sold them at was the same as Gravel was charging for the standard restricted model. That doesn't look good on Gravel.
 
nemesisincanada said:
My understanding was that Questar had to source the ACRs in the US as a regular purchaser with barrel at retail or whatever deal they could negotiate. They then removed the barrels in the US and imported the units. They then developed a limited run custom match barrel and installed it. They then sold them at what I would expect to be a profit. The price they sold them at was the same as Gravel was charging for the standard restricted model. That doesn't look good on Gravel.
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I honestly don't know what price Questar sourced them for, but I highly doubt it was at full retail. I'm also fairly certain they were able to recoup at least some costs on the factory barrels. All the units imported by Gravel sold, and you don't really see any one complaining... except for perhaps those that weren't able to acquire one. The fact that the relatively few ACRs that have resold on the EE have retained their purchase price speaks well for the platform.
 
Blaxsun I'm not saying that they can't sell them for $3000, I'm saying that they have an opportunity to become the defacto non-restricted black rifle. As the AR is in the US.
I'm sure you don't want them to sell them for $2000 as this would instantly de-value your rifle. I'm quite surprised by the amount of people who advocate for higher prices. I'm saying put the price on the south side of the XCR and stick the boot in. This all assumes that can make a profit at that price point and I don't see why they couldn't.
 
nemesisincanada said:
Blaxsun I'm not saying that they can't sell them for $3000, I'm saying that they have an opportunity to become the defacto non-restricted black rifle. As the AR is in the US.
I'm sure you don't want them to sell them for $2000 as this would instantly de-value your rifle. I'm quite surprised by the amount of people who advocate for higher prices. I'm saying put the price on the south side of the XCR and stick the boot in. This all assumes that can make a profit at that price point and I don't see why they couldn't.
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I'm not saying they can't sell them for $2,000 CAD; I'm just saying it's unrealistic when they're going for around $2,300 USD and somewhat in short supply, at that. I also don't see what the motivation would be to sell them for less than the XCR which retails for $2,475 CAD when the ACR is a superior platform (just my opinion).

Yes, no one likes to see their rifle devalued simply due to a drop in retail price. However, I'm a realist when it comes to the fact that whenever you're "first in line" there's a very real possibility that you're going to take a hit. Goes with the territory...

It's entirely possible that we'll see a drop in price on the standard ACR if they start making the ACR-2 with the billeted aluminium lower available, but this also assumes they continue manufacturing the ACR.
 
Hondatech said:
I have no experience with the XCR, but I used my non-restricted ACR in a two day One Shot Tactical rifle course at the beginning of December. I ran 400 rounds through it on the course (which brought total round count up to about 1000), with no failures, gremlins, or parts falling off. I enjoyed using it so much, I'd like to get a restricted one and see about having a 12.5" barrel made for it to use on carbine courses. Hopefully the price on the next batch comes down a bit :redface:
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Brings up an interesting point. If your going from NR to restricted length what does that do to the registration?
 
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