That isn't how cgn works.
Advice wanted 12g Ammo for home family Care
- Thread starter GeorgeJure
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That isn't how cgn works.
Any idea where to buy these in 3 inch mag ? Haven't been able to find any in Canada for a year .
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- Banana Republik of Kebekistan
What?
OP, you opened the door wide open with "12g ammo for family security Not putting large holes in things"...
Now that its starting to get philosophical, empirical, and just plain educational you want to slam the door shut in our face?
As per Greta: "How dare you!"
As per Biden: "C'mon man!"
Rather than crying "Mom" like a socialist for more free things, it much wiser to just sit back (beer or scotch optional); to reflect on the essence of your opening post and better; to assimilate the wisdom and experience shared by fellow gunners.
Nothing screams family care better that a good ol' Rem 870 as initially stated but you can't stop here. What about semi-auto? Full stock, no stock or pistol grip? Same ammo for clays, paper, turkeys, geese, dogs, rapists, thieve & bears?
easyrider604
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Greater Vancouver, BC
For in-home family care, use the same ammo you use for trap. Just double, triple or quadruple tap it, as necessary. If in doubt, carry 5 x 00 buck (Flight Control or not) in the side saddle.
Remember, as much as possible, you don’t want to paint your walls.
Now if you were a NYPD SWAT, your needs would likely be better served by other loads.
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we haven't got into chokes yet.
easyrider604
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Greater Vancouver, BC
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
3 inch Hog Wild .625 x2 buckshot is eye opening enough in a pump gun.
I can only imagine the considerable recoil kick of the 3.5 inch load. That's three .625 "buckshot."
I've found 3.5" buckshot to be a #### ton extra recoil and a massive spread with a lot of flyers. At 25 yds Winchester Super X 3.5" 18 pellet 00 Buck put 9 pellets on paper. Comparatively, Winchester Super X 2 3/4" 9 pellet 00 Buck put 9 pellets on paper. Same velocity, half the recoil or less. The other fun factor would be lighting up the room like a flashbang and blowing everyones eardrums out. Great way to start a fight lol. I'll take 2 3/4 almost every time. Watch a bunch of Paul Harrel's videos, bigger is definitely not always better.
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- Banana Republik of Kebekistan
Best Family Care thread ever. 
As responsible parent and care provider, I think appropriate to first ask predators if anti-vaxer types.
Just for them, its always good to have a few shots prepared. Make sure projectiles are dipped in a good variety of vaccines. Like she said, just the tip.
As responsible parent and care provider, I think appropriate to first ask predators if anti-vaxer types.
Just for them, its always good to have a few shots prepared. Make sure projectiles are dipped in a good variety of vaccines. Like she said, just the tip.
I'm open to theoretical situations where dragon's breath is the right choice.
Unless the goal is to light your house ablaze...
You ain't from around here boy are yeah?
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- Banana Republik of Kebekistan
I was reflecting(*) on family care and the opportunity of predators self-invite...
Then BAM! Yes good Sir, it hit me like Revenue Canada on hard working people:
If the precious half is regularly hinting on redecorating the house, drop the ol' 870 and grab one of those. I kid you not, its Non restricted too!
I swear to both Valhalla and Crom, no more worries for putting large holes in things and recoil.
Conveniently on sale at one of our sponsor here
Problem solved right here on CGN and for free. (Man I love this place)
(*) Free translation: sucking on a hefty dram of scotch
Then BAM! Yes good Sir, it hit me like Revenue Canada on hard working people:
If the precious half is regularly hinting on redecorating the house, drop the ol' 870 and grab one of those. I kid you not, its Non restricted too!
I swear to both Valhalla and Crom, no more worries for putting large holes in things and recoil.
Conveniently on sale at one of our sponsor here
Problem solved right here on CGN and for free. (Man I love this place)
(*) Free translation: sucking on a hefty dram of scotch
This topic has been hashed out on this forum and countless others and in bars and basements and hunt camps since forever. You have to weed through a lifetimes worth of information and utter BS to get to some sound advice. Here's my 2 cents, worth exactly what you paid for it, hopefully there is a nugget of wisdom in there somewhere.
I'll prefix with... If you can prevent having to use a weapon for "family security" i strongly suggest you do that. Security in depth. Dogs, alarms, good locks, hell uprooting your family and moving across country to a safer neighborhood is a better option than a gunfight in your home at 3am.
All that to say, even though the chances are slim to none it will never happen, if it gets to the point of the last straw, you do not want to be handicapped here, as things have probably gone so sideways, your abilities may very well be be handicapped as well.
Normally 99% of the time, for someone in your situation, i would "strongly" recommend a 9mm (or other) Pistol Caliber carbine (cough cough Ruger PC9) for family security. Light, handy, low recoil and blast. Fast follow up shots. Cheap (and fun!) to practice with. Easy to load in the dark. Insert mag, run charging handle. Safety on/safety off.
The shotgun is an immensely effective "family security" tool, it is also the most difficult to use, especially under stress. I have more professional training and practice behind a shotgun than any other platform, and its still not my first choice.
People often chose the shotgun for FS because it's cheap (compared to pretty much every other firearm out there) $250 will get you a reliable tool for the job. Those same people generally buy a box of whatever 00 was on sale, stick it in a corner and maybe fire a few rounds of birdshot off every year.
Loading a shotgun tube under stress, in the dark, in the bedroom closet is difficult at best, and might be what gets you dead in the end.
Recoil, even a 20 gauge, with EFFECTIVE loads is a harsh reality for a small statured shooter, so is muzzle blast and concussion, so is short stroking a pump. Anything heavy enough to tame the recoil will be front heavy or louder.
On ammo selection.
Too many people will tell you to use birdshot for self defense... and ive read and heard all the arguments over and over ad nauseum. The biggest one being overpenetration. Here's the thing, if it wont penetrate the drywall in your house... it wont stop a bad guy! Sure, a load of number 6 birdshot is devastating at contact range, so is a blank round, so is 00 buck. But birdshot is probably not effective (or not effective enough) at 21 feet. Im not betting my life and families life on waiting for someone getting that close.
If you really want to go that route... the best advice i can give you, or anyone, is pattern your load in YOUR gun at 3 yards, 5 yards, 10 yards and at the MAXIMUM distance you might have to shoot inside your house... or your property. At the maximum distance inside my house, i cannot keep every pellet of birdshot on an ipsc target. That is NOT an effective load.
Patterning goes for buckshot too! Though i can save you a lot of time and tell you to just go and buy Federal or Hornady "low-recoil" 00 or #4 buck with the "flite-control" or "versatite wad". But i still want you to pattern it in your gun!. 3am down the hallway in your birthday suit and flipflops and someone is holding a gun to your kids head is not the time to find out your shotgun throws it's pattern 4" to the left!
Slugs... short of dropping a 500lb JDAM on your house... a 12 gauge slug is probably the most effective fight stopper there is.... standard "doctrine" is to load with buck and have a slug or 2 on the gun for extreme need.... thing is, performing a select slug drill, in the middle of a firefight... hell even topping off the tube with one... isn't a trivial task to get right. 2 way ranges don't lend themselves to mistakes very well. I still keep slugs handy... more likely to just load the tube with them straightaway... overkill is under rated anyway...
PUT A LIGHT ON YOUR GUN!
I know.... TL
R...I was reflecting(*) on family care and the opportunity of predators self-invite...
Then BAM! Yes good Sir, it hit me like Revenue Canada on hard working people:
If the precious half is regularly hinting on redecorating the house, drop the ol' 870 and grab one of those. I kid you not, its Non restricted too!
I swear to both Valhalla and Crom, no more worries for putting large holes in things and recoil.
Conveniently on sale at one of our sponsor here
Problem solved right here on CGN and for free. (Man I love this place)
(*) Free translation: sucking on a hefty dram of scotch
Haha, I was looking at this last spring and have decided to build one this winter. Living in a country acreage community, this would be ideal for clearing ice off parts of my driveway and ohhhh, how I'd love the see the reaction of my snooty neighbours.
