Advice wanted 12g Ammo for home family Care
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rommelrommel
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Lots of people have died to 22LR, doesn’t make it a good self defence round.
Also still unclear on the physics of why the sound of a pump action triggers an involuntary flight reaction 99% of the time.
I agree with your sentiment about security being layered.
Just wondering, why #4 buck? Just easier to find? Patterns easier through chokes?
Right balance between stopping power and minimizing the accidental over penetration risks. I wouldn’t know about the effects in/on chokes though.
Interesting, thanks. Ballistics gel tests show 00 buck very rarely overpenetrates but I see your concern and your preference to completely eliminate that chance is perfectly valid. Wouldn't you need a higher velocity with #4 than 00? Honestly this would probably never be a factor in my life, personally, just a fun brain exercise.
rommelrommel
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Digging around I think I was wrong on #4, it was #1 that meets the 12”+ penetration standard. Generally recoil is a problem with a 12g, the federal flight control 12g 00 buck LE round comes in a fairly normal load, or a reduced recoil.
And it produced very tight pattern from 0 to 25m even out of a 14" barrel.
+1 on Federal reduced recoil “tactical” with “flite control”. Very tight patterns with 8 pellet OO buck and #1 buck. “Lucky Gunner” researched patterns between various brands out of an 870 with 18” barrel.
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/more-stuff-you-should-know-about-buckshot-part-2/
Hopefully a site sponsor will stock up on this ammo as it seems to be hard to find in Canada, maybe because of virus pandemic buying south of the border.
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/more-stuff-you-should-know-about-buckshot-part-2/
Hopefully a site sponsor will stock up on this ammo as it seems to be hard to find in Canada, maybe because of virus pandemic buying south of the border.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Heard a good rumour in Key West that #4 nickel plated buckshot was the bee's knees for smashing out side windows most cars with just one shot, and lower chance killing passengers.
But federal budgets would not allow for increased costs hence dropped from inventory.
But federal budgets would not allow for increased costs hence dropped from inventory.
I am not too far away from you in Burnaby by the skytrain and a complementary treatment centre nearby. The other day at 9am my neighbour, who has a wife and two young ankle biters, goes to take the garbage out. While he is coming back up in the elevator His security camera goes off. In walks a model citizen into his yard, with the jig we all know. He has a mask on because of Covid and a sunken hat. Oddly enough he wasnt smart enough to wear sunglasses which would have obscured his whole face combined with the mask. Anyways he does a couple of hot laps in the yard then makes his move towards the sliding glass door (which was locked). He then scopes a window where in which a camera is staring at him. His computer jams for a minute and then he retreats. Anyways no cool ending to the story where he gets hit by thunder and lightning. I feel for my neighbour, he is a gentle soul and very kind. The last guy on the earth who needs to be scared for his families safety.
Anyways, I mentioned this story to someone. And their first reaction was to ask if the person had a weapon. I mentioned I didn’t think so and that person proceeded to say “so how was he going to harm the family? the last person to break into my house fed my dog spaghetti and then left”. Unfortunately people don’t understand that being in a drug induced state on certain drugs is a weaponized human. Or that people’s intentions, previous experience or hidden weapons have their utility.
So before TLDR remember to have sticks in window sills, keep doors locked, invest in a ring system, leave lights or music on, have an alarm, run drills, etc. Preventative measures are like preventative maintenance and if applied will give you a fighting chance and longevity.
Anyways, I mentioned this story to someone. And their first reaction was to ask if the person had a weapon. I mentioned I didn’t think so and that person proceeded to say “so how was he going to harm the family? the last person to break into my house fed my dog spaghetti and then left”. Unfortunately people don’t understand that being in a drug induced state on certain drugs is a weaponized human. Or that people’s intentions, previous experience or hidden weapons have their utility.
So before TLDR remember to have sticks in window sills, keep doors locked, invest in a ring system, leave lights or music on, have an alarm, run drills, etc. Preventative measures are like preventative maintenance and if applied will give you a fighting chance and longevity.
You asked a question and I've seen a couple of posts in which you've asked the admin to shut it down ? don't ask a question if you don't want many answers. and Nibe you stated that you have never heard in the News that someone's daughter has been raped in a home that has been broken into ? usually because those who could speak for themselves were dead. take the time and watch a few episodes of the Last 48 hours . then you will know what kind of mental individuals walk the streets. I know a few retired law enforcement officers who are great guys most with over 30 years of service. I had one say you don't know how cheap life is . and another one stated there is a lot of bad people out there. and this was just the other day .
I have met many decent people in my life time but I have also met some unsavory individuals . this is not the USA but you still have the right to live . be careful people .
