Africa hunting video "amazing"

[sealhunter]

whoever made the comment on Polar Bears,....
Polar bears should never be hunted for trophy in my oppinion.

Many people make the bull#### claims on the stalking predator Polar Bear and his danger to man and make it seem like a hunt of dangerous game etc. Polar Bears are quite content to be on their own and left alone. When they start coming into towns , well that's one thing. But to pay 10,000 dollars to shoot a bear, in the middle of the wide open, where the only escape is water, (which by the African video, doesn't even stop some) isn't much to claim about.

African Hunting experiences often depend on the guides, but I have not seen one yet that made the experience sound at all interesting to me.

 

[phinton81]

So, the question remains- Other than these videos, how much do you know about African hunting?

If you are trying to get me to admit that I have never been hunting in Africa, I will save you the climax, I have no first hand experience hunting in Africa, what I know is from what I have read, watched, heard others talk about and I have formed my own opinions. I am not taking issue with hunting in Africa, I am taking issue with shooting elephants or dangerous game for that matter, because they are just that, dangerous. Thrill killing anywhere is not justifiable let alone in Africa, and I don't need to have been there hunting to form that opinion, I have hunted enough on my turf to come to that conclusion.

If your only argument is, "you've never done it, so you aren't qualified to form an opinion" you are missing the point. I don't need to do something to decide if it is right or wrong for me. The best I can do is educate myself enough to the point where I decide if something coincides with my sense of morality. In my view this type of hunting is unjustifiable, and those that do it will rely on the argument, "you wouldn't understand, you've never done it, so I won't consider what you have to say". Once again, if this type of hunting floats your boat, go for it, but don't tell me that your motives are somehow altruistic and that you are doing these animals and/or the locals a favour. Just call it like it is, its a thrill to destroy something that can kill you, and that thrill is something you can buy, so you do. Cheers,

Patrick

 

[sealhunter]

I am a grizzled varmint with a fair amount of hunting experience ... as it has been a life long passion ..... and unlike phinton81 I have hunted lions and leopards and elephants and buffalo. Except for a water buffalo that died in full charge at 5 yards a few years back in South America .... if I could hunt anything again - it would be lions # 1 ... and elephants # 2 .... And unless you done it yourself - it would be like thinking of dating Miss Venezuela - the newest Miss Universe - you really have no idea what it is all about. It is/would be only an opinion. Respectfully .......

I wouldn't enjoy killing someone, would I need to kill someone to make that claim? I wouldn't enjoy living in the Congo, do I need to live there to make that claim?

I wouldn't enjoy killing a lion, but need to kill one to make that claim,....hmmmm

Imagine a pedophiles arguement ......

As for the miss Universe.

Do you need to have ### with Elton John to know you wouldn't enjoy it, or miss universe, whichever applies.

 

[sealhunter]

If you are trying to get me to admit that I have never been hunting in Africa, I will save you the climax, I have no first hand experience hunting in Africa, what I know is from what I have read, watched, heard others talk about and I have formed my own opinions. I am not taking issue with hunting in Africa, I am taking issue with shooting elephants or dangerous game for that matter, because they are just that, dangerous. Thrill killing anywhere is not justifiable let alone in Africa, and I don't need to have been there hunting to form that opinion, I have hunted enough on my turf to come to that conclusion.

Exactly!

 

[Gatehouse]

, I am taking issue with shooting elephants or dangerous game for that matter, because they are just that, dangerous. Thrill killing anywhere is not justifiable let alone in Africa, and I don't need to have been there hunting to form that opinion, I have hunted enough on my turf to come to that conclusion.

I've never been to Africa either, but I've hunted grizzlies here in BC (our only real dangerous game) and when you are creeping through the bush, and you know there is at least one grizz around, I guarantee it's thrilling...

Myself, I like that feeling, but to each his own.

I wouldn't criticize a hunter for enjoying a different type of hunting, though. Too bad you feel you must.

 

[phinton81]

I've never been to Africa either, but I've hunted grizzlies here in BC (our only real dangerous game) and when you are creeping through the bush, and you know there is at least one grizz around, I guarantee it's thrilling...

Myself, I like that feeling, but to each his own.

I wouldn't criticize a hunter for enjoying a different type of hunting, though. Too bad you feel you must.

Too bad, indeed

 

[Boomer]

It's curious that people think that it's fine to kill one animal but not another. I think there should be a polar bear season just like there is a black bear season or a moose season or a deer season. What the rabbit people don't get is that hunters put as much value on the game as they do, perhaps more. What makes it right to kill a deer but wrong to kill an elephant?

I hunt to experience life. I don't hunt for a trophy or for food, yet I sometimes eat what I shoot and sometimes hang what I shoot on the wall. You can't buy the experience that I had in Tanzania. The folks on the photo safari tried, but they missed the whole point of being there because they weren't allowed to get out of the vehicles. We on the other hand bumped into a elephant when we were stalking buffalo. We were charged by another, but everyone stayed cool and we did not shoot. I passed up more game than I shot, yet I would of loved to get a lion, if I could find the right one. Just like I would love a polar bear and a grizzly if I could find the right one. You say you don't hunt for the excitement, you don't hunt for a trophy, and you reluctantly take the meat, why then do you hunt? Safeway has meat.

 

[sheephunter]

Man what a bunch of sissies on this board...sign me up for any of those hunts......I didn't see any heros or wealthy thrill seekers....just the culmination of a whole bunch of hunts. You all know things die at the end of a hunt....right? Who knows, it may have taken two weeks of hard hunting to get to those few seconds of video for a kill. Just makes me want to go to Africa all the more..........get over yourselves boys....it's hunting....plain and simple!

And please don't say we can't let the antis see these types of videos......they are offended just by the fact that we hunt.

 

[sheephunter]

It's curious that people think that it's fine to kill one animal but not another. I think there should be a polar bear season just like there is a black bear season or a moose season or a deer season. What the rabbit people don't get is that hunters put as much value on the game as they do, perhaps more. What makes it right to kill a deer but wrong to kill an elephant?

I hunt to experience life. I don't hunt for a trophy or for food, yet I sometimes eat what I shoot and sometimes hang what I shoot on the wall. You can't buy the experience that I had in Tanzania. The folks on the photo safari tried, but they missed the whole point of being there because they weren't allowed to get out of the vehicles. We on the other hand bumped into a elephant when we were stalking buffalo. We were charged by another, but everyone stayed cool and we did not shoot. I passed up more game than I shot, yet I would of loved to get a lion, if I could find the right one. Just like I would love a polar bear and a grizzly if I could find the right one. You say you don't hunt for the excitement, you don't hunt for a trophy, and you reluctantly take the meat, why then do you hunt? Safeway has meat.

Dangit Boomer.....that was well said!

The day the thrill and excitement are gone for me....I'll quit hunting!

 

[huntinstuff]

I prefer to hunt animals that have the capacity to kill me also.

And I don't mean by me hitting them with a vehicle.

Don't get me wrong. I will "snipe" a big deer if he is destined for the B&C.

A grizzly or moose taken at close range with a bow or a short range rifle truly puts you in a position of compromise should you miss or have an equipment failure.

Those days are behind me now as I have a family and owe it to them to do my best to stay alive and well.

But I often reflect on my past and to be honest, they were some of my finest hunts. Alone, short range and probably a lot more daring and tolerant when it came to distance between me and the animal.

My hat goes off to any camera man who captures these hunts and who relies on the courage of the PH to cover him should things go wrong.

As for shooting an elephant, it doesn't appeal to me. Same for hippo, ostrich, zebra and waterbucks and the various "small" antelope type game. They just aren't my thing. But I wholeheartedly support those that pursue such animals.

Some feel that the moose is an easy dim-witted animal to hunt too. But if I could only hunt one animal for the rest of my life, it would be the moose. Probably because he and I have a lot in common........lol

 

[Lazy Ike]

You would think if: "feeding the poor villagers" or saving their crops" or "controlling the population" was such a valuable service, these countries would be paying the hunters to show up.

I don't apologize for being a hunters so I would rather just hear: "I wanted to shoot something really ####ing big!"

 

[powdergun]

Watched the Sask Elk hunt clip on the site.

Frankly seeing rich SOB's paying money to shoot elk that are behind high fences in a canned hunt makes me puke. They act like they just took a B@C bull in the wilds.

Hey dude you just shot a farm animal. Get over yourself

 

[sealhunter]

That's real hunting !!!! You have no idea how thrilling hunting penned animals is until you've done it.

Ever try fishing in a barrel. Man against the great fish, ahhhhh.

 

[bisonhd]

Some people shoot trophy bucks that are standing in the middle of their own private alfalfa field using the hood of their truck for a rifle rest. Then gloat all winter about the trophy they hunted. To each their own, as long as it's legal and good wildlife management is in practise.

 

[Demonical]

whoever made the comment on Polar Bears,....
Polar bears should never be hunted for trophy in my opinion.

You are mis-informed. Are you aware that a delegation of Inuit and Canadian Gov't officials recently travelled to the USA to appeal to have the polar bear hunting ban lifted?
There are Inuit communities scattered along the Canadian Arctic coastline that depend on income from the polar bear hunt. For decades it has been one of their most important sources of income.
Take away that hunt and those people have to replace that money somehow. How the hell are they gonna do that?
The Canadian Gov't closely monitors the polar bear population and a regulated hunt is not a threat to the bears any more then grizzly hunting in B.C. Or are you against that also?

Many ignorant, well-intentioned people make claims like you. They form organizations like P.E.T.A.

Pay attention to what Boomer says. He knows what he is talking about! Without an economic incentive, which safari hunting provides, the elephant, cape buffalo etc, have no future. Those animals represent nothing but obstacles to settling and clearing the land. Hunting gives them a reason to exist. Otherwise they are just a dangerous ####ing animal that you would be better to get rid of.

Are you aware that the countries which have banned sport hunting have seen steady and drastic decreases in the numbers of elephant? It is because there is no reason to put up with the bastards. Better to remove them or poach them for their ivory.

Read Mahoboh. It was written by Ron Thomson, who spent 20+ years as an elephant control officer in several African countries. He was an ardent proponent of ending the senseless elephant culls and instead controlling the populations by controlled, regulated hunting.
Ron Thomson killed over 1,000 elephants. Entire herds, cows, caves, bulls etc... Does that make any sense to you?

How about have Game Wardens regulate the numbers, determine a sustainable harvest, shoot older animals, derive income that benefits the local community, the Gov't etc...

If you think there is no benefit to the hunt in Africa then you really need to get educated about realities, as I said read Mahoboh or join P.E.T.A.



So with those facts established, if you go hunting dangerous game, sometimes they don't appreciate it and they may react to defend themselves, but the charges in that John Sharp movies are tame. Watch some Mark Sullivan...

 

[sealhunter]

well I must post the pics from my big Buffalo hunt.

It was 7 am, still pretty dark. Jody pulls in the driveway and asks are we a go. A bit reluctant, as I had work at 1 pm, I said what the hell, grabbed the rifle, we then drove over to "The Scotsman's" as we call him and picked him up.
A quick stop at tim Hortin's and 10 minutes later we were in the midst of the large beasts, eating doughnuts and waiting for our coffees to cool down.
Lionel shows up in his new truck and says he's gonna go get the tractor and be back in 5 minutes or so. we figure we will take one great animal each.

when the tractor shows up, it was pure madness,... The buffalo all started hearding towards it. perhps they were going to charge, perhaps they saw the bail of hay, we weren't sure, but we weren't going to take any chances.

jody put the 300 win mag to his shoulder and dropped a great bison which was advancing towards him. Lionel then sprang into action and hoisted the animal on the tractor and we made quick work with the chainsaw.

next up was the 'Scotsman'. He had his 30 -06. He took a prone position and shot another mighty animal. I had my 30 30 in hand just in case and Lionel had his .223 ready. Jody was back to eating douhnuts and trying to find some good tunes on the radio for while we butchered the next one.

finally was my turn. having never used Jody's rifle i thought I'd give it a try.
(risky move with these big animals). I eyed my buffalo and up with the rifle. Out of the corner of my eye I saw a jelly doughnut on the dash, ... then all of a sudden I heard the stones coming over the speakers of the truck, ..
I remained focused though, squeezed off a between the eyes shot,....
The might animal tumbled and the heard got skittish. with the reflexes of a jungle cat, 'scotsman" saw the herd getting skittish and quickly closed the gate before they could get out.

we had a drink of Screech and still talk on stop about our great adventerous Buffalo hunt. See pics below.

 

[sealhunter]

You are mis-informed. Are you aware that a delegation of Inuit and Canadian Gov't officials recently travelled to the USA to appeal to have the polar bear hunting ban lifted?
There are Inuit communities scattered along the Canadian Arctic coastline that depend on income from the polar bear hunt. For decades it has been one of their most important sources of income.
Take away that hunt and those people have to replace that money somehow. How the hell are they gonna do that?
The Canadian Gov't closely monitors the polar bear population and a regulated hunt is not a threat to the bears any more then grizzly hunting in B.C. Or are you against that also?

Many ignorant, well-intentioned people make claims like you. They form organizations like P.E.T.A.

Pay attention to what Boomer says. He knows what he is talking about! Without an economic incentive, which safari hunting provides, the elephant, cape buffalo etc, have no future. Those animals represent nothing but obstacles to settling and clearing the land. Hunting gives them a reason to exist. Otherwise they are just a dangerous f**king animal that you would be better to get rid of.

Are you aware that the countries which have banned sport hunting have seen steady and drastic decreases in the numbers of elephant? It is because there is no reason to put up with the bastards. Better to remove them or poach them for their ivory.

Read Mahoboh. It was written by Ron Thomson, who spent 20+ years as an elephant control officer in several African countries. He was an ardent proponent of ending the senseless elephant culls and instead controlling the populations by controlled, regulated hunting.
Ron Thomson killed over 1,000 elephants. Entire herds, cows, caves, bulls etc... Does that make any sense to you?

How about have Game Wardens regulate the numbers, determine a sustainable harvest, shoot older animals, derive income that benefits the local community, the Gov't etc...

If you think there is no benefit to the hunt in Africa then you really need to get educated about realities, as I said read Mahoboh or join P.E.T.A.



So with those facts established, if you go hunting dangerous game, sometimes they don't appreciate it and they may react to defend themselves, but the charges in that John Sharp movies are tame. Watch some Mark Sullivan...

MISINFORMED!!!! I didn't make any claims or state any facts. I stated my oppinion, talk sense would ya. i also don't think you will find me saying in any of my posts that there is no benefit. OOOOPS. My oppinion doesn't agree with yours,...... ####ing priceless

 

[Demonical]

sealhunter you can post a story and pics of a farm hunt complete with tractor and doughnuts, yet give DUMB-ASS opinions on Africa or Polar Bears?

You talk about getting educated, well why don't you?

 

[pharaoh2]

One of the photo's I took in Cabela's. Those who live in glass houses...

 

[Slowbalt]

Stopped watching after 2 minutes... Many of these animals are on the endangered species list, are under fire by already enough poachers, let alone striking rich a$$wipes . In 50 years from now, our childrens will be seeing this and banging their head on the walls thinking how stupid could we be.

P.S. If your country needs ''paying poachers'' to make money... Maybie you should stop shooting each other in civil wars, guerrilas and whatever else... How about f*cking getting along and working together....