One day at the range, an older gentlemen was there sighting in a couple of rifles. One of which was a ruger no.1 that I believe he said was chambered in .458 win mag. Can't really remember which variation but I do remember him saying .458. It looked like he was stuffing hotdogs in the chamber compared to my .243 lol. Said it was his "deer rifle" lol. Now this ole gen't was about a 140 lbs soaking wet. I watched him shoot it twice ( don't think he could handle a third) and I couldn't believe the way his body reacted to the recoil. I think even his shoe laces were vibrating.I know he was loading his own ammo but I don't know if what I saw was normal or he was just loading her too hot. I never examined his cases after firing . I asked why he was using such a cannon or a deer rifle and he said the deal on the rifle was too good to pass up lol. The other rifle he had with him was a win model 70 in .325 wsm. The ruger made it look like a pussy cat . He fired the wsm several times.