Ak-47?

It's all crap (am I allowed to say that on CNG)

It boils down to personal preference that's it and this debate runs around in my mind atleast once a month. I have No AK as I did not anticipate bill C-68 or I would have kept mine, but still have a couple of sks which are built to similar tollerances.

The bit about An Ar being more accurate. Well Maybe. I suspect it has more to do with the quality of ammo then the AR- being more accurate.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu8.htm

Shows groups between .25 MOA to 3.3 MOA. out of a target AR. When you look at the ss109 its 2.7 however Wolf produced a group of over 6 MOA.

My both of my sks shoot into 3 MOA with chec corrosive. Which I suspect is more along the lines of WOLF quality than SS109.

So for me accuracy is a maybe.

For reliabilty. I used to shoot the C-7 on a rifle team for a couple of years and I did not see very many failures to fire during that time. Of course conditions are pretty tame on the range. Lots of failures with blanks but I think that the gun was designed to shoot bullets and not blanks. So reliability against a stock rifle. Its a wash.



Ergonomics I have to say hands down goes to the AR everything seems to be where it should be.

Sight radius seems like this comes up every now and again. Well this one I can be difinitive. It's a wash. 17.5 for a stock AR and .....17 for an SKS.

Often I read something that says the AR is good for 600 yards and AK only 300. Back in the nineties we would zero at 200 yards and leave it there. At 300 you were aiming at IVAN's face (is the army still politically incorrect) at 500 I was aiming at the backstop numbers to allow my bullets to drop the 7 feet or so it took to hit the target.



So accuracy to me is a wash. Both very useful against large fruit to 300 yards or so.

Egronomics I have to give the edge to the AR. Everything is where it should be. Reliabilty wash, Accuracy wash.

Look cool factor well just about everybody likes the AR now. When it came out into service I think most folks would have prefered the FN but 15 years of being told that the C-7 is the best there is maybe has changed peoples minds. For the look cool factor to each their own.

As for the cartridges themselves. Well I have not shot anything besides paper with either of them.

So for terminal ballistic. In the Paper targets that I am shooting, the 7.62 makes a 30% larger hole than the 5.56

Penetration through the paper and Cardboard are adequate. However neither of them make up nearly as big a hole in paper as a 45 ACP.
 
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Jasonburnsdundee -you must be mistaken
There's no way an AR could possibly shoot worse than 1 MOA --that quality is reserved for only the Mini-14 ;)
ARs are not unlike lazer beams or so I have heard
 
Vepr AK in 308:
http://www.ak47.com/images/targetdavis.jpg
Vepr 223:
http://www.ak47.com/images/lee_target.jpg.jpg
Vepr X39:
http://www.ak47.com/images/762x39mm_Target.jpg

While the Vepr has a more sturdy receiver, I have seen similar results from Saiga's which are basically standard russian AK spec.
Anybody who says AK's arrent accurate are either talking about the lowest quality models shooting the lowest quality ammo and are basically painting all AK's with the same brush.
Not all AK's are built equal and X39 is not a precision caliber like 5.56.
 
Jasonburnsdundee,

For starters you say your SKS shoots 3 MOA or better. At what ranges? Firing a 3 inch group at 100 does not necessarily mean it will hold that group out to 500. The AR platform when using an improved battle sight zero or the 25/300 zero will produce a "point and pull" setup that is suitable out to 250 for the IBSZ and 300 for the 25/300 zero. 500 yard shots with the AR/.223 cartidge are not difficult. I shot a coyote at 410 yards(measured with a GPS) that was moving with .223 and the hold over was minimal. I zeroed my backup sights on my 14.5" AR just 2 weeks ago. I managed a single hole group with one flyer out of 5 at 50 yards using the large aperture(.191"). All shots remained on the playing card used as a target.

TDC
 
I shot an AK varient once. It was fun, what gun isn't?

I absolutely hated the sights. I also thought it was generally clunkier to handle than any of my AR-15s. Accuracy was poor too.

I take the AR-15 hands down any day. :rockOn:

Although I'd like to own both!
 
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JUST CURIOUS;
After having read through all of the opinions posted here....

Other than a couple of obvious posts, how many have actual, practical experience with the AK-47, I mean on both the giving and receiving end ?

Just wondering out loud
John
 
johnone said:
JUST CURIOUS;
After having read through all of the opinions posted here....

Other than a couple of obvious posts, how many have actual, practical experience with the AK-47, I mean on both the giving and receiving end ?

Just wondering out loud
John

lol, I don't think too many people who have been on the receiving end are still around today :dancingbanana:
 
KevinB said:
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Mind you one of our guys shot an insurgent 9 times with a Sig552 so one needs to remember M855 out of a 9" bbl is bad juju as well.
but-- then he took the s**tbags PKM and mopped up...
LMAO thats ####en classic
 
And people that that I trust that have used both in real life conflict have told me that the SKS was generally more accurate then the AK's, but the lack of full auto was a negative aspect at times.

Face it the M48 cartridge works, underestimate it and you might someday regret it.

Also for the record I'll gladly take one of these thanx...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aFLUGq1gvM
:rockOn:

BTW those in the military have no choice but to learn to like what they are issued.
 
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.45colt said:
The AK47 is a fine gun but the AR type makes hitting the target easier. If you can't hit your target everything else doesn't matter.

Well you wont be able to hit the target once that AR jams up because of some sand in the mechanism would you ;)

Cheers,
Alex
 
ancorp said:
Well you wont be able to hit the target once that AR jams up because of some sand in the mechanism would you ;)

Cheers,
Alex


Lets see,
I've run a M4 in Afghan and Iraq -- no problems -- but I guess yoru experience must be much more extensive.
 
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