Alberta Tactical Rifle Issue
- Thread starter robertf
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Damn. You type like Captain Kirk spoke, and you argue for the sake of arguing. You know very little about civil law to boot.
You must be a lawyer, or play one on tv.
Rick did good.
Chris did not good. In fact Chris look very stupid on the whole intranet.
I will type more later. I have to go finish replacing the foam peanuts in the box that contains the rifle I am sending Rick. Should I use grade A 1/2" bolts, or plain old rocks? This is going to double the shipping due to weight, but I have seen the results and its worth it. Wait a second.....is that fraudulent and I am posting it on the intranet? Schiiiiiiiiiiiit.
I tried to work things out amicably with Rick behind the scene, gave him a chance to make things right before I posted this. Rick, your posts are full of deception and lies
There is no way in hell you will be getting the bolt from my rifle, it’s proof that the rifle was in new condition when I sent it to you, proof that you are lying about the barrel. Ship me back my rifle, I will have it “test fired” and examined by a professional on my end. And I will take someone’s posted advice on here and have my insurance company deal with it.
The bottom line in my experience with Alberta Tactical Rifle: Sent brand new precision rifle (47 rounds) for Cerakoting, getting back a damaged and repaired gun and got called a liar.
Start dealing?!? Folks, this damage occurred in February, why hasn’t a claim been started yet? I have multiple emails sent to Rick expressing concern with the delay, telling him I needed the Rifle for a course in April. I also told Rick from the beginning, I have no interest in a repaired rifle, I shipped him a brand new rifle (47 rounds). For those of you that don’t believe me, why would I go through the time and expense to have my rifle ceracoated if it is as old as Rick claims.
The damage occurred in February, this has been going on for 4 months now, how do you explain that delay? The strike started last week.
Outright lie, the pictures of the packaging posted prove that.
Why did it take 4 months for you to repair it? Besides, as honest people do, I have the moral obligation to admit this rifle has been damaged and repaired if I decide to sell it, greatly diminishing the value. Are you telling me this is what all customers should expect from ATRS? At no point did I flame ATRS in my original post, I pointed out the facts, that Canada Post damaged the gun, and that it has been four months since the damage occurred. Nothing I said was untrue, yet Rick calls me a liar?!?! Look out folks, this is what you can expect from ATRS.
I’ve asked Rick at least 4 times to provide me with the names of the gunsmiths who examined the rifle, he has yet to provide it. Rick, who are the gunsmiths that examined the Rifle?
Which other two shops?!? I’m asking you publically for this information.
There is no way in hell you will be getting the bolt from my rifle, it’s proof that the rifle was in new condition when I sent it to you, proof that you are lying about the barrel. Ship me back my rifle, I will have it “test fired” and examined by a professional on my end. And I will take someone’s posted advice on here and have my insurance company deal with it.
The bottom line in my experience with Alberta Tactical Rifle: Sent brand new precision rifle (47 rounds) for Cerakoting, getting back a damaged and repaired gun and got called a liar.
Im not taking any side here, but please Robertf, stop saying that you sent a BRAND NEW rifle with 47 rounds shot....BRAND NEW mean no fired before, or only fired by the factory for QA purpose, You sent a barely used rifle, or call it a ALMOST NEW rifle, or a "paint barely dry" rifle if you want, but stop using BRAND NEW, as it wasnt BRAND NEW.
Im not playing the grammar nazis as im sure im made more than my fare share of mistake in that post alone, but it would sound a little bit more realistic, and honnest. Remember when dealing with insurance and claim it's all about how they perceive you and your claim.
Im not playing the grammar nazis as im sure im made more than my fare share of mistake in that post alone, but it would sound a little bit more realistic, and honnest. Remember when dealing with insurance and claim it's all about how they perceive you and your claim.
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- calgary alberta
Chris
You can rant and rave as much as you like.
The FACT is that the claim HAS been dealt with, AND settled with CP. The action HAS BEEN repaired since April 28th and until your bolt gets here and I can test fire the barrelled action it will not be released for liability reasons.
The repair work was DONE nearly 2 MONTHS ago and we requested you ship us the bolt OVER 2 MONTHS ago and yet you refuse to ship the bolt to us so we can finish what needs to be done in order to return the barrelled action to you.
As I mentioned to you in my FINAL PM I will NOT involve any of the other parties in this now. I do not need this crap and certainly they do not either.
06-08-2011, 08:46 AM
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Rick. What are the names of the shops you took my rifle to and who did you deal with? What is the Canada Post claim number?
These are questions I'd rather not ask publicly, I'm not out to torpedo your business, I just want what I'm owed. I've received some very interesting private messages from people including people that have worked for you that bring light on your business practices... I suggest we solve this amicably.
You and I both know that rifle has had only 47 rounds through it, you will admit the truth online, say you made a terrible mistake and in the interest of customer service you are agreeing to send me a new rifle with muzzle break and ceracote. You can keep the old rifle and HS stock from the new rifle, I'm not looking to profit from any or this, I just want what I started with. In return I will publicly thank you for handling the situation professionally. You will look like a hero online, and you'll make a few bucks from selling the repaired rifle and HS stock.
What do you say?
robertf
The same as I told you then I do not take well to veiled threats.
The real bottom line is you have NOT in any way helped to settle the freight claim for the damage, you HAVE on 2 occasions posted flamers before you allowed the parties involved to deal with anything. You HAVE adopted a totally unreasonable stance and tried to coerce and blackmail me to give you a new rifle and it is NOT gonna happen.
From this point on the clock will be running and my time WILL be charged for. Storage charges will also start to be applied soon.
Be forewarned. You are dangerously close to legal action being enacted for defamation.
You can rant and rave as much as you like.
The FACT is that the claim HAS been dealt with, AND settled with CP. The action HAS BEEN repaired since April 28th and until your bolt gets here and I can test fire the barrelled action it will not be released for liability reasons.
The repair work was DONE nearly 2 MONTHS ago and we requested you ship us the bolt OVER 2 MONTHS ago and yet you refuse to ship the bolt to us so we can finish what needs to be done in order to return the barrelled action to you.
As I mentioned to you in my FINAL PM I will NOT involve any of the other parties in this now. I do not need this crap and certainly they do not either.
06-08-2011, 08:46 AM
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Rick. What are the names of the shops you took my rifle to and who did you deal with? What is the Canada Post claim number?
These are questions I'd rather not ask publicly, I'm not out to torpedo your business, I just want what I'm owed. I've received some very interesting private messages from people including people that have worked for you that bring light on your business practices... I suggest we solve this amicably.
You and I both know that rifle has had only 47 rounds through it, you will admit the truth online, say you made a terrible mistake and in the interest of customer service you are agreeing to send me a new rifle with muzzle break and ceracote. You can keep the old rifle and HS stock from the new rifle, I'm not looking to profit from any or this, I just want what I started with. In return I will publicly thank you for handling the situation professionally. You will look like a hero online, and you'll make a few bucks from selling the repaired rifle and HS stock.
What do you say?
robertf
The same as I told you then I do not take well to veiled threats.
The real bottom line is you have NOT in any way helped to settle the freight claim for the damage, you HAVE on 2 occasions posted flamers before you allowed the parties involved to deal with anything. You HAVE adopted a totally unreasonable stance and tried to coerce and blackmail me to give you a new rifle and it is NOT gonna happen.
From this point on the clock will be running and my time WILL be charged for. Storage charges will also start to be applied soon.
Be forewarned. You are dangerously close to legal action being enacted for defamation.
I don't know about that. Work done by ATRS, any work...would increase the value...
How about this, I buy your greatly diminished value rifle for the value you think it is, I'll give you 700 bucks for the LIGHTLY-USED (not brand new) rifle. Then I will flip it on the EE stating that it is a ATRS smithed rifle, and I will get 1400 for it (it would of already had the bolt trued to the action too. Good idea?
LMAO!!! THATS SO TRUE!!!
This could have been an opportunity to make money....
robertf, seriously man, let it go, no one cares if you think your rifle is new. It isn't... Get over it... Its just like buying a new car, drive it off the lot and lose 10% of the value. One round through your factory Remmy and its USED!!! Accept it.
Man......i'm so tired to people taking advantage of insurance. Figure it out! Your stealing your own money fool! I have looked at the pictures and read the whole thread. ATRS has gone above and beyond for your RobertF! I also find it funny that you don't want to ship the bolt. The guy has modified the action of your gun and you are asking him to ship it back to you without verifying that it is 100% functional!? Perhaps he's trying to save YOU from hurting YOURSELF!
But on a lighter note......this stuff is more entertaining than reality TV! ATRS watch out, you may get a TV show offer over this! Perhaps something like "Sons of Guns" on Discovery.....but with a better title!
But on a lighter note......this stuff is more entertaining than reality TV! ATRS watch out, you may get a TV show offer over this! Perhaps something like "Sons of Guns" on Discovery.....but with a better title!
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
I will never send a rifle in the mail to any gunsmith ever. I only deal with a local guy. When he retires or dies I will find another local guy or quit the foolishness of modifying perfectly functional firearms.
Well, that's nice , but I have NO PROBLEM shipping a gun across the country to a gunsmith who specializes in iron sighted match rifles, seeing how there is not on in my town.
There are two that I deal with on a pretty regular basis, one was a friend of my father's, and his reputation and work is solid.
Cat
why'd you buy it?
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Since this is an insurance claim between ATRS and Canada Post, I don't think ATRS is under any obligation to provide you with that information. Plus, you're being a total d*ck, and if I were in Rick's position, I wouldn't be inclined to tell you either.
The only thing robertf should have to disclose after all this is how he ACTS to any future gunsmith before work.
When you go to sell this rifle you have done more to hurt it's value than ATR did
If I was buying your rifle
Muzzle brake - you can pay for my hearing loss or pay to have the brake and treads cut off and recrowned
Cerakote - I have rifles cerakoted but in this case I wanted a stainless rifle so you can pay to have it removed or take that off the asking price
Jewel trigger - I find the jewels too light for a rifle that is used in the field so can you please supply me with an undamaged factory trigger or just keep the jewel and we will nock off the cost of a factory one (you know just less than the jewel)
The work ATR did - After Rick checks all the specs after you send him your bolt and it checks out I would pay the going price based on what they are worth and not consider the repair a reason for less value
You will never see a return for any of the work you have done for your rifle so send the bolt take your rifle back and shoot it.
The above is my opinion and will differ from the op but my point was its always different depending on who's eyes you look through. I think it's time to just walk away.
Rick- good work but I feel for you as I imagine that after you ship it back you will be accused of switching barrels on him and he will want a match barrel as there just a few dollars more than a factory one you know.
When you go to sell this rifle you have done more to hurt it's value than ATR did
If I was buying your rifle
Muzzle brake - you can pay for my hearing loss or pay to have the brake and treads cut off and recrowned
Cerakote - I have rifles cerakoted but in this case I wanted a stainless rifle so you can pay to have it removed or take that off the asking price
Jewel trigger - I find the jewels too light for a rifle that is used in the field so can you please supply me with an undamaged factory trigger or just keep the jewel and we will nock off the cost of a factory one (you know just less than the jewel)
The work ATR did - After Rick checks all the specs after you send him your bolt and it checks out I would pay the going price based on what they are worth and not consider the repair a reason for less value
You will never see a return for any of the work you have done for your rifle so send the bolt take your rifle back and shoot it.
The above is my opinion and will differ from the op but my point was its always different depending on who's eyes you look through. I think it's time to just walk away.
Rick- good work but I feel for you as I imagine that after you ship it back you will be accused of switching barrels on him and he will want a match barrel as there just a few dollars more than a factory one you know.
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- calgary alberta
